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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    Uhh.. were like the 5th most powerful country , so yes.. i think we are pretty high up.

    It is our morale duty to try to help as many as possible in the world.

    Either you dont give any kind of charity to any events so your an ass, or your a hypocrite.
    bull**** no it's not. never has been never will be. you might like to think it is and it might comfort you to think this is the attitude other will have, but they really don't. don't expect anyone to come help this country either, because they won't.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    bull**** no it's not. never has been never will be. you might like to think it is and it might comfort you to think this is the attitude other will have, but they really don't. don't expect anyone to come help this country either, because they won't.
    What?
    Do you even understand what a moral duty is?.' the content of one’s moral duty would be determined by one’s position in society' . If we can help someone, then we should.

    It is a citizens moral duty to help someone in need, if you were getting attacked in the street, someones moral duty would be to help you, it is not their actual duty like it would be to a police officer and such but a moral duty, something set up by usual ethics.

    The same goes for countries.

    Understand basic economy ... if a few countries were so much richer than everyone else and never gave aid the world would be so much worse off.

    By giving money, or whatever, to Africa we are giving them the needs to be sustainable towards themselves.. think of the 'give a man a fish he'll eat for a day..' example. When Africa, and such countries, become more economically developed it helps the whole world. It is not simply we give the money and its gone, the money we give them stays in the economy and circulates around the world thus making everything better,
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    (Original post by Lewroll)
    For the first time I actually agree with you (only on this point, not on most of the other things you will probably say). Funny isnt it?
    i guess we have more in common than you'd like to admit
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    i guess we have more in common than you'd like to admit
    Yeeeaah...-_-
    If it wasnt for the fact that your past posts make you seem racist, sexist and xenophobic, I could probably learn to tolerate you.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    What?
    Do you even understand what a moral duty is?.' the content of one’s moral duty would be determined by one’s position in society' . If we can help someone, then we should.

    It is a citizens moral duty to help someone in need, if you were getting attacked in the street, someones moral duty would be to help you, it is not their actual duty like it would be to a police officer and such but a moral duty, something set up by usual ethics.

    The same goes for countries.

    Understand basic economy ... if a few countries were so much richer than everyone else and never gave aid the world would be so much worse off.

    By giving money, or whatever, to Africa we are giving them the needs to be sustainable towards themselves.. think of the 'give a man a fish he'll eat for a day..' example. When Africa, and such countries, become more economically developed it helps the whole world. It is not simply we give the money and its gone, the money we give them stays in the economy and circulates around the world thus making everything better,
    you are either very disillusioned or incredibly stupid. aid to africa does nothing more that make organisations/countries look good. do you realise aid gives no benefit to africa whatsoever? true, maybe some of the money can educate children but are there any jobs for them to get once they graduate from school? no, because there's barely and economy in most of these countries. thus the money we have given them is effectively wasted - only now a few more kids know the pythagorean theorem.

    did you also know that although countries give aid to africa, they also make africa pay back that aid? most of africa has massive debts. africa pays back $20 billion a year. where does this money come from? it comes from limiting education and health care, which to improve they need to borrow more money or hope for more aid that they must pay back and the cycle continues.

    aid does africa more harm than good. if you actually believe aid to africa will change it in any way for the long term (such as 'teaching it to fish' - which aid certainly does not) you need to think again. this type of aid only works in the short term for countries recovering from a natural disaster. it does not work for africa.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    no, because there's barely and economy in most of these countries. thus the money we have given them is effectively wasted - only now a few more kids know the pythagorean theorem.
    In order to create such an economy (like you say there isnt one in Africa) you need to put money in, economics generate from the flow of cash throughout whatever operations, a country simply cannot have a good economy without money, thus this is why inputting money into the economy benefits it.

    Also not all aid has to be paid back, in fact hardly any does.. the debts you are talking about come from loans to countries in order to solve problems.. you are getting the too confused.

    There is no real way to help a struggling economy in the long run, the only way anyones economy will grow is by their own countries operations. But when LEDC's dont have the necessary capital to grow such operations, there is simply no way the economy can grow.

    This is why at such meetings as the G8 they agree to write off any debt countries owe, to allow them to use the money for their own infrastructure.

    Problems in Africa seem to be more focused on health issues more than completely solving economic problems, by that i mean.. any aid is usually used mostly on health care issues. And aid HAS helped this, by a very large amount, any google search can show this.

    I do agree with what your saying, but there is simply no way the whole world can grow as one without the MEDC helping the LEDC, what goes around comes around, if one country has more money, they spend more on itself and buying from us, which keeps going around and around. This is a way better solution than one country keeping it to itself.. even if that does mean we are SLIGHTLY worse off.
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    In order to create such an economy (like you say there isnt one in Africa) you need to put money in, economics generate from the flow of cash throughout whatever operations, a country simply cannot have a good economy without money, thus this is why inputting money into the economy benefits it.

    Also not all aid has to be paid back, in fact hardly any does.. the debts you are talking about come from loans to countries in order to solve problems.. you are getting the too confused.

    There is no real way to help a struggling economy in the long run, the only way anyones economy will grow is by their own countries operations. But when LEDC's dont have the necessary capital to grow such operations, there is simply no way the economy can grow.

    This is why at such meetings as the G8 they agree to write off any debt countries owe, to allow them to use the money for their own infrastructure.

    Problems in Africa seem to be more focused on health issues more than completely solving economic problems, by that i mean.. any aid is usually used mostly on health care issues. And aid HAS helped this, by a very large amount, any google search can show this.

    I do agree with what your saying, but there is simply no way the whole world can grow as one without the MEDC helping the LEDC, what goes around comes around, if one country has more money, they spend more on itself and buying from us, which keeps going around and around. This is a way better solution than one country keeping it to itself.. even if that does mean we are SLIGHTLY worse off.
    if it would work we'd have seen some changes already at least. the fact we haven't and we aren't suggests aid is no benefit. china is rapidly becoming the world's largest economic power (within the last decade) but it didn't take MEDCs giving aid to it for it to grow like it has.

    also:
    In 2005, just weeks ahead of a G8 conference that had Africa at the top of its agenda, the International Monetary Fund published a report entitled "Aid Will Not Lift Growth in Africa."


    this kind of suggests aid isn't working in africa.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    ..
    By the way.
    http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/ful...d_growth_.html

    "The bottom line in all these approaches is that African growth notwithstanding, reliable and effective aid is essential for African countries, to help deal with basics as well as commit to long-term development plans."

    The whole article basically states the economy is bad, but growing, and aid is a important part of it.

    Seem as you dont want to believe me views on how economies work and grow, have a read.
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    if it would work we'd have seen some changes already at least. the fact we haven't and we aren't suggests aid is no benefit. china is rapidly becoming the world's largest economic power (within the last decade) but it didn't take MEDCs giving aid to it for it to grow like it has.

    also:
    In 2005, just weeks ahead of a G8 conference that had Africa at the top of its agenda, the International Monetary Fund published a report entitled "Aid Will Not Lift Growth in Africa."


    this kind of suggests aid isn't working in africa.
    Oh, so that goes against the figures and facts (like in my last post) that show the economy is growing at a faster rate than before? . Ok right, sorry, all those figures must be wrong.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    So you wouldrather have a free education than a planet to live on?
    This.
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    africans should make their own windmill generators, and yes they can i saw one african guy power his house with a big makeshift one, its a local tourist attraction now, made out of twigs and bits of metal.

    once again they are penalising the very people who can solve the problems, engineers scientists etc, the government should understand that there should be first and foremost free healthcare and free education. Then everything else comes after.
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    (Original post by sete)
    Student fee 'savings' will fund windmills in Africa
    The £2.9 billion the Government will save by increasing tuition fees matches the amount earmarked for a global warming project, finds Christopher Booker.
    The cause of the major political story of last week – the row over tuition fees, students rioting and all – was, as we all know, “public spending cuts”. But how much money does the Government actually hope to save on tuition fees? If the immediate problem is our massive state deficit, it seems odd that the Government should risk such unpopularity, not for any immediate saving, but in the hope that it will get the money back over the next 30 years, as students can afford to repay it.

    In the short term, the Government’s own projection as to how much it will save is that the funding of university tuition will be cut by £2.9 billion by 2014. As it happens, £2.9 billion is the sum ring-fenced, by the same public spending review, to be given to developing countries to help them fight global warming with windmills and solar panels. It is also slightly less than the £3 billion by which our public debt is rising every week. These much-vaunted “cuts” are not all we are led to believe.

    Source. The ToRiGrAph.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...in-Africa.html

    How do people feel about this?
    Disgusted. Britain comes first. We could afford to maintain the higher education and defence budgets with a fraction of the amount of money that is wasted on ridiculous overseas projects.

    We should have cut the foreign aid budget before anything else :mad:
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    (Original post by Tommyjw)
    By the way.
    http://www.oecdobserver.org/news/ful...d_growth_.html

    "The bottom line in all these approaches is that African growth notwithstanding, reliable and effective aid is essential for African countries, to help deal with basics as well as commit to long-term development plans."

    The whole article basically states the economy is bad, but growing, and aid is a important part of it.

    Seem as you dont want to believe me views on how economies work and grow, have a read.
    That is rubbish. 90% of that economic "growth" will become owned by foreign corporations and local capitalists. Who will invest it in themselves. The whole western-style industrialisation model should be avoided, not emulated. We don't have enough resources for unlimited global economic expansion.
 
 
 
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