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    Who deserves to go more? Well that's a tough one, the straight A guy obviously must have put some work in, just because he accomplishes grades with more ease doesn't mean he hasn't worked hard. I tend to to plow through exams and do well - I guess I'm just good at exams. Doesn't mean I don't put any work in though, I just pick things up easily, so I don't have to cram as much before. I don't like it when people say I'm lazy and undeserving, I can't help being smart.

    As for the B student, well if you're willing to put in the effort to get a good grade it shows you're committed to getting an outcome. I believe he deserves it as much as the A student.

    I think the A student will benefit more from an university education, but I think anyone who puts in the effort deserves to go uni.
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    the richer one
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    It's a slightly lame question to be honest and as pointed out, it depends which university. A more interesting question might be:

    Who deserves to go to university more?

    A student with AAA from a top notch leading grammar school

    or

    A student with ABB from a badly failing comprehensive.

    Personally I think if students get good grades from places that usually do terribly, they should be given preference.
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    (Original post by littleangel9914)
    resulting in degrees becoming worthless
    I was being facetious sunshine. (:rolleyes:)
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    [QUOTE=CrazyPyramid

    Personally I think if students get good grades from places that usually do terribly, they should be given preference.[/QUOTE]

    I agree.
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    Since when have A-Level grades been the be all and end all of intelligence? I am probably looking at ABB or BBB for my A-levels at the end of this year but I wouldn't class myself as less intelligent than some of the straight A students in my year. I have a good knowledge of current affairs, how the world works, logic, common sense, vocational work and generally good life skills. However, some of the straight A students in my year genuinely couldn't tell you what the house of commons is because all they know is the inside of textbooks.

    Just before summer some class mates and I took part in a day of management games related to the world of business. We had to write up written reports, give press conferences, deal with interruptions during the day and give oral presentations/pitches etc. Naturally all of the straight A students were chosen to take part in this task to represent the school. I also managed to get a place to fill up the number to eight. On paper we should have won the competition by a golden mile, but we didn't even come close to first and we were up against mediocre schools. The reason we lost was because all of the straight A student hand-picked for the task didn't have a clue where to even begin. They stumbled, panicked and couldn't get their words out in presentations and generally didn't know what they were doing. I was left to answer every single question put to us, I had to write up our report so that it resembled anything close to professional and I generally did the whole day on my own.

    Grades are not indicative of intelligence. This is why Universities can require interviews, personal statements, work experience etc.
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      (Original post by lovely_me)
      The government should make sure everyone goes to university! :fuhrer:
      Labour tried that. Look where we are now...
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      (Original post by ch0llima)
      Labour tried that. Look where we are now...
      Judging by the Hitler emoticon I would say the comment wasn't an accurate reflection of that person's opinion.

      By the way, what's with the avatar?
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      (Original post by Genocidal)
      The person who has the lowest earning parents of course. :p:
      Quite!

      In all seriousness, it most likely wouldn't be my place to suggest the 'best' candidate. A Levels can be indicative of a very gifted individual, one whom is the opposite or neither.
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        (Original post by didgeridoo12uk)
        the first one as they'll actually be stretched at university.
        whereas the second will just struggle (comparatively)
        What if the second one just needs to be taught good study skills? Most people I've seen struggle haven't struggled because they are somehow naturally deficient; they tend to have a weaker background and poor study skills.

        Two important attributes for uni are the ability to put in effort and the knowledge of how to study. In the scenario: we don't know if the first student can put in effort, but we know they know how to study; we know the second student can put in effort, but know they don't have good study skills.
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        Neither of them.

        Its quite obvious the first guy is an inconsiderate, self indulging p***k. If he spent less time bashing off to animal porn he could have got a 4th a-level and a few A*s maybe. If he went to uni, would continue to loath in his own greatness, blow his loan on smack and booze but still not manage to pull a female the whole 3 years due to his over ambitous standards placing himself above his scrotty, stuck up reality and be left to rub the monkey to animal porn. Come out with a 2:2 , not get a job and sign for the dole only to chop himself before getting home as he realises how **** his life is and always was/will be.

        Second person is a totally different sitch. This punk wears their trousers so high they are measured by chin size. Lock themselves in their room growing zits as they sweat over mild homework quiz that is due in over a week away. When they get a place at uni they will look scornfully down on their piers that go out drinking, socialising and generally living life, that they think they are better than just as they are going to uni, when in actual fact most of these people are naturally cleverer than this douche and will do alot more with life, even career wise. They get to uni realise they weren't half as smart as they thought they were struggle away in their room for two years, growing more zits then drop out £25,000 in debt, begging those 'scum' they looked down on for a job, ultimately dying a virgin.


        Just my interpretation.
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        they should just scrap universitys we don't need them
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        (Original post by The Next Left)
        Since when have A-Level grades been the be all and end all of intelligence? I am probably looking at ABB or BBB for my A-levels at the end of this year but I wouldn't class myself as less intelligent than some of the straight A students in my year. I have a good knowledge of current affairs, how the world works, logic, common sense, vocational work and generally good life skills. However, some of the straight A students in my year genuinely couldn't tell you what the house of commons is because all they know is the inside of textbooks.

        Just before summer some class mates and I took part in a day of management games related to the world of business. We had to write up written reports, give press conferences, deal with interruptions during the day and give oral presentations/pitches etc. Naturally all of the straight A students were chosen to take part in this task to represent the school. I also managed to get a place to fill up the number to eight. On paper we should have won the competition by a golden mile, but we didn't even come close to first and we were up against mediocre schools. The reason we lost was because all of the straight A student hand-picked for the task didn't have a clue where to even begin. They stumbled, panicked and couldn't get their words out in presentations and generally didn't know what they were doing. I was left to answer every single question put to us, I had to write up our report so that it resembled anything close to professional and I generally did the whole day on my own.

        Grades are not indicative of intelligence. This is why Universities can require interviews, personal statements, work experience etc.
        You sound just like person B i describe above. Hope you enjoy the end bit
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        Neither, only the wealthy should go to university *Obviously*
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        (Original post by SmegmaProblem)
        You sound just like person B i describe above. Hope you enjoy the end bit
        Wow. I don't drink or take drugs though I'm just pretty normal, genuine person to be honest who works hard to get my grades so I can go to Uni and then get a decent job.

        Now, you seem to be the kind of person who, instead of just being normal and discussing the issue properly, has to imprint their own misplaced perceptions of life onto the world. The kind of thing that apparently makes you feel special is that whole cynical out-look on life thing you have going there. Still, it seems to make you feel like you're all wise and mighty. If I were to guess I would say you are insecure about yourself and so to fill in the void that is your life, you have to try and kid yourself that everyone else is a loser in order to make yourself feel better? Now I'm guessing you're a high achiever academically but you are not the stereotypical library nerd. This would explain why you have a problem with the hypothetical people described by the OP. You think you're better than the nerd because, although you get the same grades, you see yourself as cooler. And you think you're better than the B student because you're more, academically, intelligent. So the person who actually has a misplaced sense of their own greatness seems to be yourself. Only someone completely up their own arse would have written that cringe-worthy, predictable and immature psychoanalysis you did in your post.
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        (Original post by The Next Left)
        Wow. I don't drink or take drugs though I'm just pretty normal, genuine person to be honest who works hard to get my grades so I can go to Uni and then get a decent job.

        Now, you seem to be the kind of person who, instead of just being normal and discussing the issue properly, has to imprint their own misplaced perceptions of life onto the world. The kind of thing that apparently makes you feel special is that whole cynical out-look on life thing you have going there. Still, it seems to make you feel like you're all wise and mighty. If I were to guess I would say you are insecure about yourself and so to fill in the void that is your life, you have to try and kid yourself that everyone else is a loser in order to make yourself feel better? Now I'm guessing you're a high achiever academically but you are not the stereotypical library nerd. This would explain why you have a problem with the hypothetical people described by the OP. You think you're better than the nerd because, although you get the same grades, you see yourself as cooler. And you think you're better than the B student because you're more, academically, intelligent. So the person who actually has a misplaced sense of their own greatness seems to be yourself. Only someone completely up their own arse would have written that cringe-worthy, predictable and immature psychoanalysis you did in your post.
        I said you were like the 2nd person, where does drink/drugs come into it? Although, seriously? you should try it some time, its a right buzzer.

        Your analysis of my reason for posting with all that "insecure" bull**** was looking way to much into things. More just banter purposes.

        Despite this, you got predictions about me fairly spot on. Well played sir. Not perfect however as I don't know any "nerds" as you call them, that get the same grades as me. You say I think of myself as "cooler" than them but this is a relative term, I definatly get more poon than them though which I guess makes me cooler. So better academically, smash more pasty (kick arse at sports as well just soo you know ) how else can I be "better" than them? To say someone is up their own arse is just plain envious that you will never achieve what they do, and you can't think of anything else bad to say about them; they have everything.

        Enjoy being average.
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        The first guy for definate. You have to go by results imagine what society would be like if you started trying to allocate things by how hard people work for them.
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        (Original post by Liquidus Zeromus)
        Both. It should not be a Zero-sum game.
        This.

        It doesn't matter how you pass, whether it comes easily or not, that is not the issue at all. University has a system to decide whether you deserve your degree (it's called passing) and as long as you meet that system's criteria then more power to you.
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        the one who did advanced highers.
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        (Original post by SmegmaProblem)
        I said you were like the 2nd person, where does drink/drugs come into it? Although, seriously? you should try it some time, its a right buzzer.

        Your analysis of my reason for posting with all that "insecure" bull**** was looking way to much into things. More just banter purposes.

        Despite this, you got predictions about me fairly spot on. Well played sir. Not perfect however as I don't know any "nerds" as you call them, that get the same grades as me. You say I think of myself as "cooler" than them but this is a relative term, I definatly get more poon than them though which I guess makes me cooler. So better academically, smash more pasty (kick arse at sports as well just soo you know ) how else can I be "better" than them? To say someone is up their own arse is just plain envious that you will never achieve what they do, and you can't think of anything else bad to say about them; they have everything.

        Enjoy being average.
        Wow you're a ****.

        I'm getting this image in my head of you as this kind of American jock who drives the good car and has the good girlfriend etc. etc. Am I getting close with the image below?




        Didn't you know, the jock always gets dumped in the end and the girl goes to the nice guy and the jock ends up as a balding fat man? Watch the movie 'Just Friends', it explains it a bit better.

        Anyway I digress. Seriously, if this is how to come across in real life to other people then good luck. I meanwhile will enjoy being promoted over you whilst you're still 30 years old and pissing everyone off with your attitude.
       
       
       
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