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    I think it sounds as if UCL people are vandalising the library at SOAS I would alert the porters and keep them out.
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    (Original post by Tarutaru)
    Look at the head of SOAS's economic department, a guy has only a very few publications in some crap unkown journals.
    Ok, I think the person a couple of posts above me (forgot their name) has dealt with most of your points, but I'm going to pull you up on this specific one.

    Back in the day, before university's became primarily profit-making organisations (which is what created the intense pressure on academics to constantly research and publish), some of the best (if not the very best) lecturers and tutors were ones who were not prolific publishers themselves. Rather, they were respected because they were completely on the button with the new research that was coming out of their field - read and digested loads and loads of journals, articles etc etc, and then discussed this with their students. By contrast, many academics who did do most of the research and publishing didn't do much teaching.

    With this in mind, I don't see how you can criticise the head of the economics department for not publishing much.

    Oh, you also said that people can get onto the Economics degree without maths A Level. That's true, but people who do that have to take intensive maths modules to bring them up to the required standard by the end of their degree. That's surely a good thing - many people choose their A Levels not really knowing what they want to do, and have a much better idea by the time they get to university. I think it's daft to stop someone being able to take an economics degree because they don't have maths A Level. You seemed to be implying that the fact that SOAS lets people study Economics without maths A Level is a bad thing.

    And finally, if you're so annoyed by SOAS, and all the weird freaks, why not leave? I don't mean that in an accusatory way, I mean it genuinely. SOAS isn't for everyone, and nobody's forcing you to stay. Surely the most important thing is that you're studying somewhere where you're happy. You seem so envious of UCL and LSE, why not drop out and apply to them?

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    (Original post by JoeJBB)
    Ok, I think the person a couple of posts above me (forgot their name) has dealt with most of your points, but I'm going to pull you up on this specific one.

    Back in the day, before university's became primarily profit-making organisations (which is what created the intense pressure on academics to constantly research and publish), some of the best (if not the very best) lecturers and tutors were ones who were not prolific publishers themselves. Rather, they were respected because they were completely on the button with the new research that was coming out of their field - read and digested loads and loads of journals, articles etc etc, and then discussed this with their students. By contrast, many academics who did do most of the research and publishing didn't do much teaching.

    With this in mind, I don't see how you can criticise the head of the economics department for not publishing much.

    Oh, you also said that people can get onto the Economics degree without maths A Level. That's true, but people who do that have to take intensive maths modules to bring them up to the required standard by the end of their degree. That's surely a good thing - many people choose their A Levels not really knowing what they want to do, and have a much better idea by the time they get to university. I think it's daft to stop someone being able to take an economics degree because they don't have maths A Level. You seemed to be implying that the fact that SOAS lets people study Economics without maths A Level is a bad thing.

    And finally, if you're so annoyed by SOAS, and all the weird freaks, why not leave? I don't mean that in an accusatory way, I mean it genuinely. SOAS isn't for everyone, and nobody's forcing you to stay. Surely the most important thing is that you're studying somewhere where you're happy. You seem so envious of UCL and LSE, why not drop out and apply to them?

    Joe
    He is not even a student at SOAS, he just a stundet(from UCL I think) that regularly uses SOASs library. I don't see why is he complaining.
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    (Original post by ussumane)
    He is not even a student at SOAS, he just a stundet(from UCL I think) that regularly uses SOASs library. I don't see why is he complaining.
    Oh. How bizarre
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    I was in the SOAS library yesterday, and while it was freezing, it definitely wasnt 'full of lazy people'- in fact they seemed to be working harder than i was.
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    Hey, I don't want to miss out on the fun, even though he's just trolling...

    (Original post by Tarutaru)
    One thing which really makes me shocked is that SOAS teaches economics without using maths; and according to a guy doing PHD there, people can get into SOAS PhD Economics without a proper economics degree....

    And tons of SOAS idiots do not even know what a lagrangian is after studying three years of economics XD

    Look at the head of SOAS's economic department, a guy has only a very few publications in some crap unkown journals. I know that the head of a department is not necessarily the best scholar. But I am really shocked that a guy like Jan Torowski could become the head of an economic department. that is just hilarious XD

    - Are you aware that there's more to to economics than the quantitative part (or, that the quantitative part is a quite recent development)? Oh, wait... someone has said that you're a UCL student. Unfortunately, that's no excuse. You may still want to start thinking independently.

    - The guy you're talking about is called Toporowski and is a well-known academic, especially when it comes to banking and regulations. I'm sure even the so-called economics scholars at UCL (which are basically just doing simple applied maths) will have heard of him.

    A few months ago I was attending a seminar at a major (economic) think tank in Germany and I was being approached by one of the speakers afterwards. I had mentioned my studies at SOAS and he started talking about Jan whom he had met on a conference in Berlin a few weeks before. I was slightly surprised, I admit...

    - "crap journals"... interesting. Let me guess... you're doing your A-Levels or are a fresher at most?


    (Original post by Tarutaru)
    XD XD XD

    It is a fact that SOAS economic department is one of the worst in this country. Look at the RAE and the IDEAS, where is SOAS? You guys don't even have any research results for RAE submission in 2008 XD

    As a matter of fact, SOAS economic department is full of Marxists who can only stuck in the strange department on the second floor of the building and doing mental masterbation with no formal recognition outside XD

    I spoke to some SOAS students and they all like to brag about their development economics XD I want to ask how good is that ??? Look at the profile of the faculty, they only have few to moderate publications and most of them are in some crappy journals XD

    Anyway, I will stop this argument now. As a fact, SOAS is a weird school and the economic department is particuarly strange XD
    As much as I dislike rankings, they do tell a different story about the quality of SOAS economics. Just five (?) years ago, it was ranked 4th in the Guardian one. While I do find this exaggerated, the department does deserve a place in the top 15 or 20. Why? Because of their approach alone. But also because of their academics' expertise, because of the content and because of the quality provided (except for a certain econometrics tutor... *shiver*).

    About the RAE 2008: Are you aware that only about 30 economics departments took part? Do you have any idea why? Are you aware that there are more economics departments in the UK? What about broadening your own horizon a bit?

    - No formal recognition? You must be on something... have spent too much time in the SOAS bar, 'eh?


    However, I do agree with you in one point. SOAS, incuding the economics department, is strange. This makes it a wonderful place where you can actually study and make up your mind about what's going on in the world. It's not the ideal place to become a banker or an accountant, but a place where independent thought is being valued and facilitated. You might just be too young to understand but I think I'm just an optimist. You will probably never be able to recognise the value of such an institution (but, hey, David and Nick don't do so, either).
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    (Original post by Picaa)
    Look at the books that people leave behind on the desks. It's not Chinese or Korean language, Zoroastrianism, philosophy, history, etc. It's always things like 'Emerging Water Conflicts in the Developing World', 'The Post-Colonial Legacy in Sub-Saharan Africa', or something by Edward Said or someone similar. Those books are read by the same people who talk loudly and shout in the library. That sort of student doesn't really have to exert himself or herself at 'study' as they are usually taking some ridiculous piss-easy course. Hope that answers your question (by the way, feel free to test this theory by looking at what those 'students' are actually studying. For them, the library as a social space has no consequence at all as they can just write a load of nonsense on their essay-assessed course and get a great mark, plus be absent for over a month (e.g. Brunei Gallery occupation) etc. They're not the real hardcore SOAS students - just clowns wearing hippy fashions etc.
    Actually, I agree. The problems with many (not all!) economics students at SOAS is that they're LSE, UCL rejects that just want to study economics in London. During my time at SOAS I tried to talk to a couple of them and they could never understand why I had chosen SOAS over UCL and Warwick for economics...

    Developing economics students are often just... well, let's say, they have to grow up.

    But I guess I am/we are just too harsh on them. After all, how many students actually know what they want to do when they are starting their studies? You can find idiots and immature pricks that don't know how to behave at any university. SOAS is surely more open-minded than most of them - which (unfortunately?) means that you have to endure more of it. On the other hand, it does enrich the international culture. After all, you get to know how idiots behave, no matter where they're from

    I have most respect for language students and am a bit sad that I didn't study Economics with Chinese (as I've been focusing on China ever since in my studies)...
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    I know man.... Soas, weird eh

    I knew 4 or 5 people that go there, Haven't heard them mention this though.
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    (Original post by Picaa)
    Look at the books that people leave behind on the desks. It's not Chinese or Korean language, Zoroastrianism, philosophy, history, etc. It's always things like 'Emerging Water Conflicts in the Developing World', 'The Post-Colonial Legacy in Sub-Saharan Africa', or something by Edward Said or someone similar. Those books are read by the same people who talk loudly and shout in the library. That sort of student doesn't really have to exert himself or herself at 'study' as they are usually taking some ridiculous piss-easy course. Hope that answers your question (by the way, feel free to test this theory by looking at what those 'students' are actually studying. For them, the library as a social space has no consequence at all as they can just write a load of nonsense on their essay-assessed course and get a great mark, plus be absent for over a month (e.g. Brunei Gallery occupation) etc. They're not the real hardcore SOAS students - just clowns wearing hippy fashions etc.
    Ha, I don't know about you, but I'd classify the two topics you listed as perfectly legitimate and interesting development economics topics, I see economics as anything but an easy course.

    It's well known that the SOAS economics department has a leftist slant, but that doesn't make it inferior to any other - in fact, that would lead me to believe they're especially good at the development side of things (i.e. what they SPECIALISE in), which is what a huge proportion of people taking economics are interested in, anyway

    I really don't think you can pass your judgement on what course is "worthwhile" or "easy" and on which students are "clever" without actually being there or taking the course yourself, especially since you seem to have so much contempt for such a huge chunk of economics.
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    the person who started this thread- you are banned from SOAS library!
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    (Original post by theths)
    Ha, I don't know about you, but I'd classify the two topics you listed as perfectly legitimate and interesting development economics topics, I see economics as anything but an easy course.

    It's well known that the SOAS economics department has a leftist slant, but that doesn't make it inferior to any other - in fact, that would lead me to believe they're especially good at the development side of things (i.e. what they SPECIALISE in), which is what a huge proportion of people taking economics are interested in, anyway

    I really don't think you can pass your judgement on what course is "worthwhile" or "easy" and on which students are "clever" without actually being there or taking the course yourself, especially since you seem to have so much contempt for such a huge chunk of economics.
    What are you talking about? Where did I say economics is easy? Are you on your Christmas lunch??
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    (Original post by Picaa)
    What are you talking about? Where did I say economics is easy? Are you on your Christmas lunch??
    well you seemed to think topics like colonialism in Africa would constitute a whole "easy" course by themselves, whereas I see them as legit development economics topics, which is, after all, what SOAS seems to specialise in
    I really don't think a judgement of an entire department can be made on the basis on a few books about what you see as "soft topics" anyway
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    (Original post by JoeJBB)
    Oh, you also said that people can get onto the Economics degree without maths A Level. That's true, but people who do that have to take intensive maths modules to bring them up to the required standard by the end of their degree.
    Joe
    Well, well, well... I have nothing to say to all these replies But just let me adress the quotation above. Intensive maths modules XD, that is very hilarious XD
    The maths taught at SOAS is just about the level as what I learned in my high school XD

    To see why, just look at the content of the pre-sessional maths course for SOAS MSc Economics.

    http://mercury.soas.ac.uk/users/sm97...c_premath1.htm

    And compare that with that of the UCL:

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/degre...mber-intensive

    Look at the exercises, there are tons of silly exercises in what you called "intensive maths modules" such as "which of the following is a matrix" and "write a 2 x 2 matrix" for each of the following XD

    Oh, perhaps for the idiots at SOAS, such silly materials need to be taught "intensively" in order to "bring them up to the requried standard" XD
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    (Original post by Tarutaru)
    The maths taught at SOAS is just about the level as what I learned in my high school XD

    To see why, just look at the content of the pre-sessional maths course for SOAS MSc Economics.

    http://mercury.soas.ac.uk/users/sm97...c_premath1.htm

    And compare that with that of the UCL:

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/degre...mber-intensive

    Look at the exercises, there are tons of silly exercises in what you called "intensive maths modules" such as "which of the following is a matrix" and "write a 2 x 2 matrix" for each of the following XD

    Oh, perhaps for the idiots at SOAS, such silly materials need to be taught "intensively" in order to "bring them up to the requried standard" XD
    Hahahahahaha oh right, because your refresher syllabus is soooo advanced! I'm amazed by how many times I have to call you out for being an idiot. Your refresher course is called ‘math and statistics’. At SOAS they have separate pre-sessional courses for each. Hardly much variance if you ask anyone with two neurons to rub together.

    UCL – Math and Statistics
    1. One-variable calculus
    2. Matrix Algebra
    3. Calculus of several variables
    4. Optimization
    5. Introductory dynamic programming
    6. Probability theory
    7. Random variables and distributions
    8. Large-sample distribution theory
    9. Estimation and testing

    SOAS –
    Math
    1. Matrix algebra
    2. Calculus
    3. Exponentials and Logarithmic Functions
    4. Optimization
    5. Constrained Optimization
    Statistics
    6. Descriptive Statistics
    7. Probability Theory
    8. Probability Models
    9. Estimation
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    (Original post by drive like june)
    Hahahahahaha oh right, because your refresher syllabus is soooo advanced! I'm amazed by how many times I have to call you out for being an idiot. Your refresher course is called ‘math and statistics’. At SOAS they have separate pre-sessional courses for each. Hardly much variance if you ask anyone with two neurons to rub together.

    UCL – Math and Statistics
    1. One-variable calculus
    2. Matrix Algebra
    3. Calculus of several variables
    4. Optimization
    5. Introductory dynamic programming
    6. Probability theory
    7. Random variables and distributions
    8. Large-sample distribution theory
    9. Estimation and testing

    SOAS –
    Math
    1. Matrix algebra
    2. Calculus
    3. Exponentials and Logarithmic Functions
    4. Optimization
    5. Constrained Optimization
    Statistics
    6. Descriptive Statistics
    7. Probability Theory
    8. Probability Models
    9. Estimation

    OH, my fu**king god... SOAs idiots do not even have the basic intelligence to understand maths!!! OK, let us be more precise XD


    SOAS Matrix Algebra Notes

    http://mercury.soas.ac.uk/users/sm97...nd2_matrix.pdf


    UCL Matrix Algtebra Notes

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/degre...chp_2_2009.pdf

    Look at the so-called "calculus" course taught at SOAS, that is just high school level XD

    http://mercury.soas.ac.uk/users/sm97...3_calculus.pdf

    And compare that with UCL:

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/degre...chp_3_2009.pdf

    I know many SOAS idiots want to defend their deparment. As a fact, SOAS economic department is one of the crappest in this country.

    As mentioned by one of the defenders XD, SOAS economic idiots are those rejected by UCL and LSE. Get a life, I know many SOAS idiots like mental masturbation.

    Perhaps I should divert this discussion to the postgraduate forum, and that should be very fun XD
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    Look at the textbooks you use, they are for A-Levels Economics! You guys are using A-Level Economics maths textbook for a Msc Economics!

    Chiang, A. C. and K. Wainwright (2005) Fundamental Methods of Mathematical Economics, Forth Edition. McGraw-Hill.

    Thomas, R. L. (1999) Using Mathematics in Economics, Second Edition. Addison-Wesley.

    Jacques, I. (2009) Mathematics for Economics and Business, 6th Edition, Prentice Hall.


    And compare what is used at UCL:

    (SB) Simon, C.P. and L. Blume (1994): Mathematics for Economists, New York:
    Norton.

    • (MWG) Mas-Colell, A., M.D. Whinston, and J.R. Green (1995): Microeconomic
    Theory, Oxford University Press. (Mathematical Appendix)
    • (PR) Pemberton, M. and N. Rau (2006): Mathematics for Economists: An Introductory
    Textbook, Manchester University Press.
    • Wickens, M. (2008): Macroeconomic Theory: A Dynamic General Equilibrium Approach,
    Princeton University Press. (Mathematical Appendix)
    The

    A soas idiot like you would never have a chance to to look at these textbooks, which are the most advanced maths textbook.

    Yes, they are not very different XD XD because a SOAs idiot is lacking the basic intelligence to understand maths XD
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    (Original post by Tarutaru)
    The maths taught at SOAS is just about the level as what I learned in my high school XD
    Mate, you're missing the fundamental point. If someone comes to study Economics at SOAS without having previously studied maths, of course the maths will be A Level standard to begin with. What did you expect?
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    (Original post by Tarutaru)
    OH, my fu**king god... SOAs idiots do not even have the basic intelligence to understand maths!!! OK, let us be more precise XD


    SOAS Matrix Algebra Notes

    http://mercury.soas.ac.uk/users/sm97...nd2_matrix.pdf


    UCL Matrix Algtebra Notes

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/degre...chp_2_2009.pdf

    Look at the so-called "calculus" course taught at SOAS, that is just high school level XD

    http://mercury.soas.ac.uk/users/sm97...3_calculus.pdf

    And compare that with UCL:

    http://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/degre...chp_3_2009.pdf

    I know many SOAS idiots want to defend their deparment. As a fact, SOAS economic department is one of the crappest in this country.

    As mentioned by one of the defenders XD, SOAS economic idiots are those rejected by UCL and LSE. Get a life, I know many SOAS idiots like mental masturbation.

    Perhaps I should divert this discussion to the postgraduate forum, and that should be very fun XD
    I’ll admit I didn’t click on the class notes, just saw the headings, FINE. But I maintain that you're an idiot and a moron. Now let ME spell it out for you. You came into a library that isn't even yours. Then when people made noise, you were provoked to start a thread about how SOAS students are idiots. You then waste more of your time looking up someone else's curriculum and whine about it. AND YOU ARE TELLING ME TO GET A LIFE?????

    And STFU about textbooks man. I'm not doing the MSc at SOAS. Instead I came out of SOAS and now get PAID to go to a school with some of the world's leading authorities in economics. Who the F are you? And that poster you're talking about is in a comfortable position to say SOAS LSS is full of LSE and UCL rejects because he HAD offers from both after going to SOAS for undergrad economics as well. And I assume he rejected them both judging by his sig...
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    (Original post by drive like june)
    Instead I came out of SOAS and now get PAID to go to a school with some of the world's leading authorities in economics. Who the F are you? And that poster you're talking about is in a comfortable position to say SOAS LSS is full of LSE and UCL rejects because he HAD offers from both after going to SOAS for undergrad economics as well. And I assume he rejected them both judging by his sig...

    And what the F are you? XD If you are telling me you are admitted for Columbia's PHD Economics then I would certainly admire you XD But well, if you are going to the School of International and Public Affiars, I would say, so what XD I am so shock that Columbia admmits a SOAS idiot with only A-Level maths

    Anyway, stop it now, I am tired of this argument Hopefully you could finally get a life at the School of Internatonal and Public Affairs...

    By the way, you seem to be very impressed by those "leading auhorities in economics". But you know what, those leading authorities in economics in that school are just average standard compared to the economists at UCL Economics Department XD

    Just in case you don't understand my last two sentences, go and compare the staff profiles by looking at CVs or IDEAS XD
 
 
 
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