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    The amount of irony in that post is classic.
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    Whenever the issue of racism is raised in this country it's usually brushed under the carpet. White British people have always had that attitude, so this country is not all equal and make out racism isn't as bad as it use to be. Eh, no. Racism is still alive in this country.
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    (Original post by NigerianStudent)
    Only been here a day and I see lots of blame shifting arguments going on this where you are accused of doing something wrong and you immediately shift the blame on to someone else. Children do it: “Tommy did it too!” Wife beaters do it: “You made me do it.” And so do whites, especially in this forum do it to defend racism :

    So they will say things like

    1. Blacks have a high crime rate.
    2. Blacks carry knives.
    3. Blacks like to “blame whitey”.
    4. Black parents do not care about education.

    And on and on. The argument is MOVED from what whites do to what other people do, mainly blacks. It is just what whites accuse blacks of doing when they say that we like to “blame whitey”. At one level it is just a cheap attempt to change the subject, to draw attention away from what whites do. But at a deeper level it is also a moral argument – directed not at black people, but at themselves.

    Whites know they live in an unequal society where whites benefit and blacks get screwed. They feel guilt about that at some level because they believe in equality and believe that racism is wrong. Since they want to believe they are good people they either fight against that inequality – or make up excuses.

    MAKING UP EXCUSES IS WAY EASIER

    If they can blame blacks for what ever troubles we have, then they have no reason to feel guilty at all. Then they can still see themselves as good people.

    CASE CLOSED

    This is why you see topics in here such as “Black Criminality” “Black Knife Plague” and I haven't even looked at the other pages. Otherwise, if that does not work, they try to make blacks seem just as bad if not worse. It becomes the EVERYONE DOES IT argument. Whites, then, turn out not to be so bad after all

    This just spreads the blame to others, which is almost as good :

    1. It has always been done this way.
    2. Blacks have it better in UK than in Africa.
    3. All human societies are racist.
    4. The Arabs traded slaves too.

    These are moral arguments but they are at the level of "Everyone Beats His Wife" or "I Only Beat My Wife On Tuesdays And Thursdays". As if that makes it all right. So in the end we know all about what is wrong with blacks, because that makes white people feel better about themselves, but very little is said about what is wrong with white people and the white racism built into society. Where is the BBC special on that ? Still waiting.
    I fully agree with you, but we need to concentrate more on institutional racism rather then white people themselves.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    I hate to inform you of this but the crime rate among blacks is higher in the UK.

    The fact that there is a police unit set up purely for black on black crime says a lot.
    When you talk about crime rates you can pretend you are oblivious to the fact most studies have been carried out by white people and therefore carry inherent biases. The very capacity to conduct studies, collect data and write detached “fact-based” reports on it, is an inherently white privileged activity. So all police do is present these crime statistics to people who already have prejudices against blacks. The police do not say blacks are criminal but they will allow their followers to say it for them.

    You cannot get statistics on the number of crimes "committed" by black and white people, only the number of arrests and convictions. Similarly, we cannot get statistics on which of the convicted people are "guilty," since we can only have the opinion of the court system as to their guilt, and that opinion assumes guilt from the fact of conviction. Further, even if all convicted persons are guilty, that does not necessarily mean that their sentences are just or fair, or untouched by racism. Longer sentences for black people will make the prison system majority black even when arrests are not majority black.

    But I guess its drugs in which whites have used most to lock black people up even though most illegal drugs users are white but very few whites get sent to prison. Most of the black people who go to prison for drugs are in there for POSSESSION, not DEALING. Black people face arrest rates for drug law violations that are 5, 10, even FIFTY times higher than the rates for Whites despite less rates of illegal drug usage.

    You see, because black people *tend* to be poorer, and tend to live in inner cities more than white people, our activities are more exposed to the public, and more likely to be the subject of government intervention. Whites are selling drugs in their houses, country clubs, bars or clubs, or places of work, basically not on the street.

    So black people involved with drugs are more likely to be ARRESTED, when ARRESTED more likely CHARGED, when CHARGED more likely to be CONVICTED, and when CONVICTED more likely to receive LONGER SENTENCES. Furthermore, (And I've seen it first hand) black people are more likely to be the subject of frame-ups by officers who feel it is their duty to get "scumbags" by any means possible, including planting of evidence and lying about it.

    The police arrest us more because they focus there attention on us, because they believe we are the ones who do more crime and then they back this up with the data they have about arrests and convictions and you fall for it and these stats make it ok to turn black neighbourhoods into a police state and makes the public think *They are the people we don't want in our neighbourhoods or workplace* *They are the people we don't want going to out schools*

    Given the way in which negative stereotypes can contribute to discriminatory treatment, the value of countering them with facts should be apparent. If we allow any group of persons to be tagged with the label of deviants--the way white people have done with blacks then you can't then be surprised we face discrimination in the job market, in schools, housing and on the part of law enforcement

    To be honest sometimes I think some white people LITERALLY need white people to DIE at the hands of black people. If such crimes never occurred, they would have a much harder time convincing whites of what they consider the bottom line: the need to remake the U.K. into an all-white nation.
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    ITT: Uppity tabloid-reading white people with silver spoon glued to their mouths
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    Mate you need to listen to Chris Rock. He makes an entire career making people laugh about people like you... As Chris Rock said, there are two types of black people. He is right.
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    (Original post by Huskaris)
    Mate you need to listen to Chris Rock. He makes an entire career making people laugh about people like you... As Chris Rock said, there are two types of black people. He is right.
    Listen most white people have never been attacked by a black person. Never been evicted by a black person. Never had your security deposit ripped off by a black landlord. Never had a black landlord. Never had a black person deny you a bank loan and you've never heard a black person say ‘We’re going to eliminate ten thousand jobs today. Have a nice day" Every mean word, every cruel act, every bit of pain and suffering in your life has most likely had a caucasian face attached to it and I think many white people could make the same claim.

    I could easily tell you about the fact the vast majority of terrorists in the world are white males. Raul Moat ? Derrick Bird ? Killing over 20 innocent people ? The most destructive wars in history were(and are still) waged by whites, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of millions. The most destructive weapons are made by whites. Child and Bestiality pornography is manufactured exclusively by whites. They are also slowly but surely destroying the environment. Whites are more likely to be sexual predators, child molesters (which I believe is the most satanic of acts), rapists, stalkers and mass murderers. Not that I’m really interested in some childish point scoring contest but it’s always good to look at your own garden before you inspect anyone else’s.
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    (Original post by NigerianStudent)
    Listen most white people have never been attacked by a black person. Never been evicted by a black person. Never had your security deposit ripped off by a black landlord. Never had a black landlord. Never had a black person deny you a bank loan and you've never heard a black person say ‘We’re going to eliminate ten thousand jobs today. Have a nice day" Every mean word, every cruel act, every bit of pain and suffering in your life has most likely had a caucasian face attached to it and I think many white people could make the same claim.

    I could easily tell you about the fact the vast majority of terrorists in the world are white males. Raul Moat ? Derrick Bird ? Killing over 20 innocent people ? The most destructive wars in history were(and are still) waged by whites, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of millions. The most destructive weapons are made by whites. Child and Bestiality pornography is manufactured exclusively by whites. They are also slowly but surely destroying the environment. Whites are more likely to be sexual predators, child molesters (which I believe is the most satanic of acts), rapists, stalkers and mass murderers. Not that I’m really interested in some childish point scoring contest but it’s always good to look at your own garden before you inspect anyone else’s.

    I'm sorry but you are one of the stupidest people I have ever seen on TSR. Most of us havent been evicted by a black landlord and all that, because like you said there aren't many black landlords apparantly. What you are saying is that people who cause you the most upset are people with power and that they in general in this country are white people but guess what, so is the majority of the population.
    The majority of terrorists in the world are not white people. Raoul Moat and Derrick Bird were not terrorists, they were idiots with guns. THe majority of wars in the world are waged in Africa, civil wars, ever heard of Rwanda? Sierra Leone? Probably not because you are so ignorant. Whites per 1,000 of the population are significantly less likely to be sexual predators or murderers, regrettably black people are.

    With all due respect, you know nothing and the vast majority of what you said was fully incorrect and you are an idiot.

    Good day
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    (Original post by NigerianStudent)
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    The very capacity to conduct studies, collect data and write detached “fact-based” reports on it, is an inherently white privileged activity.
    So no black people can carry out studies??? Blacks can't do facts???


    (Original post by NigerianStudent)
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    Similarly, we cannot get statistics on which of the convicted people are "guilty," since we can only have the opinion of the court system as to their guilt, and that opinion assumes guilt from the fact of conviction.
    Ah yes, if all else fails, the whole system is racist. All judges are necessarily racist and punish black people more than whites...



    (Original post by NigerianStudent)
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    You see, because black people *tend* to be poorer, and tend to live in inner cities more than white people, our activities are more exposed to the public, and more likely to be the subject of government intervention. Whites are selling drugs in their houses, country clubs, bars or clubs, or places of work, basically not on the street.
    Surely the advice therefore would be for inner city people to deal their drugs in their inner city homes rather than on the street?


    (Original post by NigerianStudent)

    To be honest sometimes I think some white people LITERALLY need white people to DIE at the hands of black people. If such crimes never occurred, they would have a much harder time convincing whites of what they consider the bottom line: the need to remake the U.K. into an all-white nation.
    In that these crimes DO take place, and the UK hasn't in revenge been "remade" into an all-white nation (even though there have been black people in the UK for many centuries), you are clearly talking bull****.
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    OP, please explain to me where there is evidence of the negative treatment of black people, bar some peoples ignorant attitudes, that you appear to suggest is in abundance in this country?

    (Original post by Aj12)
    I hate to inform you of this but the crime rate among blacks is higher in the UK.

    The fact that there is a police unit set up purely for black on black crime says a lot.
    Trident was originally set up in response to a series of shootings between Yardies. After this threat sort of subsided, the attention shifted to black on black crimes as a whole. This isnt necessarily evidence of some sort of intrinsic behaviour on black people to commit crimes. If you look at the populations of each of the most deprived wards in London, they have a sizeable ethnic population. Therefore can it not be argued that poverty is a stronger factor in crime than race? You may ask why other ethnic populations that are also in abundance in poorer areas are not also prone to the same level of crime that we are led to believe is present solely in the black community. However, upon closer inspection you will find that every ethnic population has a criminal arm associated with it. South Asian street gangs can be very violent, as well as the supposedly more organised gangs associated with other nationalities and races. Thus the reason why there is talk of shutting down Trident and relocating the resources to departments that deal with serious crime as a whole.

    Alternatively, Glasgow has a large number of white people living in deprived areas. Here we see a large level of knife crime perpetrated by white people. Though I cannot back it up with solid evidence, I assume that parts of Liverpool are also the same.
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    (Original post by NigerianStudent)
    When you talk about crime rates you can pretend you are oblivious to the fact most studies have been carried out by white people and therefore carry inherent biases. The very capacity to conduct studies, collect data and write detached “fact-based” reports on it, is an inherently white privileged activity. So all police do is present these crime statistics to people who already have prejudices against blacks. The police do not say blacks are criminal but they will allow their followers to say it for them.

    You cannot get statistics on the number of crimes "committed" by black and white people, only the number of arrests and convictions. Similarly, we cannot get statistics on which of the convicted people are "guilty," since we can only have the opinion of the court system as to their guilt, and that opinion assumes guilt from the fact of conviction. Further, even if all convicted persons are guilty, that does not necessarily mean that their sentences are just or fair, or untouched by racism. Longer sentences for black people will make the prison system majority black even when arrests are not majority black.

    But I guess its drugs in which whites have used most to lock black people up even though most illegal drugs users are white but very few whites get sent to prison. Most of the black people who go to prison for drugs are in there for POSSESSION, not DEALING. Black people face arrest rates for drug law violations that are 5, 10, even FIFTY times higher than the rates for Whites despite less rates of illegal drug usage.

    You see, because black people *tend* to be poorer, and tend to live in inner cities more than white people, our activities are more exposed to the public, and more likely to be the subject of government intervention. Whites are selling drugs in their houses, country clubs, bars or clubs, or places of work, basically not on the street.

    So black people involved with drugs are more likely to be ARRESTED, when ARRESTED more likely CHARGED, when CHARGED more likely to be CONVICTED, and when CONVICTED more likely to receive LONGER SENTENCES. Furthermore, (And I've seen it first hand) black people are more likely to be the subject of frame-ups by officers who feel it is their duty to get "scumbags" by any means possible, including planting of evidence and lying about it.

    The police arrest us more because they focus there attention on us, because they believe we are the ones who do more crime and then they back this up with the data they have about arrests and convictions and you fall for it and these stats make it ok to turn black neighbourhoods into a police state and makes the public think *They are the people we don't want in our neighbourhoods or workplace* *They are the people we don't want going to out schools*

    Given the way in which negative stereotypes can contribute to discriminatory treatment, the value of countering them with facts should be apparent. If we allow any group of persons to be tagged with the label of deviants--the way white people have done with blacks then you can't then be surprised we face discrimination in the job market, in schools, housing and on the part of law enforcement

    To be honest sometimes I think some white people LITERALLY need white people to DIE at the hands of black people. If such crimes never occurred, they would have a much harder time convincing whites of what they consider the bottom line: the need to remake the U.K. into an all-white nation.

    AJ12 is a roving troll.

    He likes war. He hates student protest, he likes to do his bit to put muslims down and seems to perpetuate stories like " Iran has missiles" to stir up indignation among others. In short, he hates anything that goes against Daily Telegraph preachings. I think his a troll and he spends all his time employed as one. Your response was complete and seemed to shut him up totally. This I have never seen done until now.

    Well done
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    (Original post by tc92)
    So no black people can carry out studies??? Blacks can't do facts???
    Yes black people can do facts but the difference is POWER. White people like the Police use *facts*to shape society. They have the power to get their viewpoint across and they repeat it so many times – through television, the news, the Wikipedia, etc – that it no longer seems like a mere point of view but a mere fact.

    (Original post by tc92)
    Ah yes, if all else fails, the whole system is racist. All judges are necessarily racist and punish black people more than whites.
    This is circular, as the title of this post says "Blame Shifting" this is what you are trying to do. You are trying to turn the tables and points the finger back at blacks, taking the attention off of what whites do and puts it on what blacks do. Believe it or not most black people will hold our tongue and let things pass because whites have made “racist” such a costly word to use.

    Imagine I stepped on your foot but didn’t know. I would remove the foot. Right ?

    Now imagine if I handled this situation the way some whites do with racism. I would not remove my foot. I would not even look down, but instead I would say stuff like this.

    “I am not stepping on your foot !! How dare you accuse me of that !! You are playing the stepping on the foot card !! And after all the nice things I have done for you !! You are just angry and your full of animosity. You people do nothing but blame others and complain. You just hate white people, that is why are you saying that. Arab traders step on feet, did you know that ?”

    (Original post by tc92)
    Surely the advice therefore would be for inner city people to deal their drugs in their inner city homes rather than on the street ?
    Oh right. So you don't have a problem with drug dealing just a problem with how they deal it ?
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    Stop moaning
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    Stop playing the victim card.
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    (Original post by My Life)
    Stop moaning
    This.
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    Wow you have opened a can of worms. I really don't know what to say but this is interesting. All I can say is there will always be some people who are racist and there will always be some people who like to play the blame game.
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    (Original post by Margaret Thatcher)
    Stop playing the victim card.
    Oh right, you know white people in this forum talk forever about how they are victims of taxes, big government, immigrants, reverse discrimination, "radical Islam," you name it. White people LOVE victimhood, so long as your the ones who get to CHOOSE which victims count. I always think that it’s better to be prepared for injury. When you buy insurance you are preparing for the possibility of something bad happening to you, becoming sick, getting in a car accident, or broken into by a burglar who then steals your valuables. Yet no one would say you are acting like victims.

    If any black person or other person of colour, was tell other there kids they can be anything they want to be if they try hard enough, well yeah that’s nice, but unless they warn them about the obstacles in their path, they are ill-suiting them for the real world. They are doing them NO favors, but rather, setting them up for a terrible fall. They may overestimate the extent to which whites will recognize their effort and hard work. On the other hand, by discussing those obstacles honestly, as I do and discussing individual and collective strategies of resistance to them--persons who are the targets of unjust treatment can steel themselves against the headwinds in our way
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    To be honest, I think a lot of the problems black people have are due to having a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Many see themselves as 'automatically inferior' to the white majority, so while their esteem plummets, so does their attitude.

    Now, this is not only a problem that black people have. A lot of people from the working classes also have this problem. It doesn't help that a lot of black people are also not very rich.

    I think a lot of black people (teenagers especially) need to get out of the habit of seeing themselves as 'outsiders' to British society and more importantly, need to see that crime or dependency on the state is not the only path for them.
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    (Original post by ajtiesto)
    Whenever the issue of racism is raised in this country it's usually brushed under the carpet. White British people have always had that attitude, so this country is not all equal and make out racism isn't as bad as it use to be. Eh, no. Racism is still alive in this country.
    Agreed.
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    (Original post by najinaji)
    To be honest, I think a lot of the problems black people have are due to having a bit of a chip on their shoulder. Many see themselves as 'automatically inferior' to the white majority, so while their esteem plummets, so does their attitude.
    Black people feel inferior to whites ? (lol)

    Trust me, this is just white male fantasy.

    Remember to say your superior to someone is act of inferiority. After all you would not walk to a 99 year old woman and claim your stronger than them. When superiority is obvious you don't say it. So you have go it backward,
 
 
 
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