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    (Original post by Greatest I am)
    The Gays issue. Are we in the West just another Iran?
    In terms of hypocrisy that is.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_3RU...eature=related

    We seem to condemn Iran’s denigration and discrimination of Gays and women while at the same time forgetting that we do not give full equality to our own women and Gays and are indeed fighting these notions.

    Are we just pots calling the kettle black in these issues while hypocritically doing the same as Iran and other countries who we are trying to preach to in terms of human rights?

    I think that we are. We do not walk our talk so can we actually expect others to take our advise and lead when we ourselves do not live up to our own expectations?

    Can we expect them to change their views which in a sense are more honest than our own?

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/...Most+Recent%29

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqwBDVeVTM

    Are Christians and Muslims world wide no better than the Iranian Muslims?
    Are we just hypocrites and homophobes and chauvinists at heart?
    Or,
    Are we just bullies?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x_BV2yUr-M

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    DL
    was laughing when I saw the report about the iranian summoning the british ambassador in tehran over the british treatment of student protestors.

    Jokers!

    No the west lets gays live their lives; iran doens't
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    I think people have failed to read what he wrote.

    The second sentence says "In terms of hypocrisy that is"


    That DOES NOT mean in terms of actual action to deal with homosexuals or treatment of homosexuals in the West. Obviously, in terms of action they are completely different.


    The OP means in terms of our attitude.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    I think people have failed to read what he wrote.

    The second sentence says "In terms of hypocrisy that is"


    That DOES NOT mean in terms of actual action to deal with homosexuals or treatment of homosexuals in the West. Obviously, in terms of action they are completely different.


    The OP means in terms of our attitude.
    if one compares the iraninan gov stance to that of the western gov stance (ie usa/britain), then there is no hypocrisy on our part.....

    as for chrisitians in the west; they share the same general view of homosexuals to muslims.....

    iran is an islamic republic...... west largely secular.....

    I believe the iranian gov had a point to make about british hypocrisy when the pulled up the british ambassador with regards to the treatment of students at the recent fee riots.... (found that v.funny)
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    (Original post by i.am.lost)
    We do not stone people for being gay. Ergo, we are not like Iran.
    This pretty much. Though there is stil some discrimination against gays it is illegal and anyone found doing it will be punished by the law.
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    (Original post by i.am.lost)
    Oh you witty, witty man. :giggle:
    well I do spend every waking moment trying!
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    To be honest, as far as I'm aware gay rights in the UK are more or less equal to those of heterosexual people. I don't feel I'm being denied any rights living in the UK*. Maybe if I were in some US states (i.e where there are no anti-discrimination laws and no civil partnerships/same-sex marriage) I would be denied some rights, but as far as I'm concerned I've got no civil rights issues living in the UK.

    *(I know there is the whole same-sex marriage vs. civil partnership debate going on, but ultimately civil partnerships give me exactly the same legal rights as marriage, and whilst I do think that both systems should be open to hetero and homosexual couples, I really don't think it's a rights issue but more of a symbolic one)
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    (Original post by adam_zed)
    To be fair he may not be gay, rather just really excited about the 2012 Olympics!
    And decided to express his excitement during the 2010 Gay Pride festival?
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    (Original post by i.am.lost)
    We do not stone people for being gay. Ergo, we are not like Iran.
    True. We keep them alive so we can discriminate and denigrate them for the long run.
    Much more fun for the many that way.

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    (Original post by Law123mus)
    Who's we? I am neither religious or homophoic.
    Good.

    I hope you fight both.

    For evil to grow all good people need do is nothing.

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    (Original post by super.teve)
    No, do one leftie.
    Go defend another "community", this one has had too much emphasis on it for too long.

    There is no collective gay subconscious, thanks to you idiots loads of gays now think there is. It's a joke.

    I hate most other gay people, they have too much freedom, shoving it down other people's throats.

    Too much freedom, too much liberalism, too much acceptance.

    ..
    Nice that you hate freedom and acceptance of other humans.

    You must be Christian.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5YrB...layer_embedded

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    DL
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    (Original post by Charzhino)
    Your posts never make sense, your like pasadi97 for those who knew him
    We have yet to chat and you give this.

    Bite me.

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    DL
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Erm...Britain doesn't consider a woman to be half the value of a man. Nor does it execute gays.

    Perhaps but you do not give full equality either.

    On a scale of 100, we speak like we are 95% right whereas, we are at 30%.
    We are not walking our talk.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cri....harrassed.hln

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vObeK...layer_embedded

    I do admit though that the U K is further along than the U S.

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    (Original post by Gontak)
    Considering that the Don't ask Don't tell policy was repealed in america today, I think it would be one of the worst times to argue that western countries are just as anti gay as Iran.
    When was that old declaration of independence signed 17 something.
    it made every American equal.
    Yep that progress took a few years and you will note that 1/3 of the politicians were against the repeal.

    Nah, they are not hypocrites. Not much.

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    DL
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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    Gay rights in the UK are far superior to Iran, that's a no brainer.

    If the only right gays don't possess in the UK is the right to marry, they have it lucky in world terms.
    Quite the way to set your policy. Duh let's see what the rest are doing. We don't want to give to much in the way of rights. Can't have that.

    Do you beat your wife because everyone else on the block beats theirs?
    Just following the standards eh.

    Sick.

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    DL
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Erm...Britain doesn't consider a woman to be half the value of a man. Nor does it execute gays.
    Neither does Iran. :rolleyes:

    Nice (implicit) lie there.

    (Original post by Greatest I am)
    Nice that you hate freedom and acceptance of other humans.

    You must be Christian.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5YrB...layer_embedded

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    DL
    What a blasphemous video.
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    (Original post by sandys1000)
    Whilst there might not be complete equality in the UK, no one could argue that there isn't a world of difference between here and Iran.
    Is that like being almost moral?
    Is that like being almost lucky?
    How many degrees of good are there?

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    DL
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    (Original post by Greatest I am)
    Perhaps but you do not give full equality either.

    On a scale of 100, we speak like we are 95% right whereas, we are at 30%.
    We are not walking our talk.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cri....harrassed.hln

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vObeK...layer_embedded

    I do admit though that the U K is further along than the U S.

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    DL
    I think the point though is that in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. We may well be at 30%, but Iran is far, far behind us.

    While people individually may be bigoted against homosexuals, unlike Iran, it's not a criminal act and not persecuted by the State. The national aspiration is a country where homosexuals are accepted and their sexuality makes no impact whatsoever on their life ambitions. That's leaps and bounds different from Iran...so yes, I think we do have the right to lecture Iran.
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    (Original post by bunty64)
    was laughing when I saw the report about the iranian summoning the british ambassador in tehran over the british treatment of student protestors.

    Jokers!

    No the west lets gays live their lives; iran doens't
    Sure we let them live as long as they stay in there inferior place and do not ask for equality and marriage or respect.

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    DL
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    I think people have failed to read what he wrote.

    The second sentence says "In terms of hypocrisy that is"


    That DOES NOT mean in terms of actual action to deal with homosexuals or treatment of homosexuals in the West. Obviously, in terms of action they are completely different.


    The OP means in terms of our attitude.
    Wow. Someone who actually pays attention.
    I bow to you sir.
    You are one in many.

    Regards
    DL
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    (Original post by bunty64)
    if one compares the iraninan gov stance to that of the western gov stance (ie usa/britain), then there is no hypocrisy on our part.....

    as for chrisitians in the west; they share the same general view of homosexuals to muslims.....

    iran is an islamic republic...... west largely secular.....

    I believe the iranian gov had a point to make about british hypocrisy when the pulled up the british ambassador with regards to the treatment of students at the recent fee riots.... (found that v.funny)
    You are saying that one brahamic sect, Muslims, are much different from another Abrahamic sect, Christians. LOL.

    Does the Christian and Catholic word abomination ring a bell for you.

    Are they quick to have gay and female priests and preachers?

    Regards
    DL
 
 
 
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