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    Did you get an interview/pooled last time or straight rejection? I was quite tempted to reapply to "the other one" after I got pooled (parents wanted me to) but I decided given I was going to do a 4 year course I wanted to go straight to Imperial instead and I actually think it worked out better for me (my department/faculty at imperial was/is better than cambridge in many specialisms - depends largely on which specialism you take tho...).
    I think it largely depends on what you want to do afterwards too - if you want to go into programming/PhD/teaching/technical stuff, then Imperial is equally credible (know lots of imperial alumni who go onto doing their PhDs at Cambridge/Oxford with the top supervisors there) and you will be worked just as hard. Similarly quite a few oxbridge undergrads do postgrads at imperial. I was hounded by companies in the field i specialised in to work for them (I changed field so didn't take them up).The only extra points are if you want to go get a job in a field that isn't quite a natural progression from maths (e.g. consultant, banking, civil service) as the HR women at large corporations tend to go by overall reputation of an institution but that doesn't mean to say it's impossible (it isn't, and there are a lot of imperial people who also go into banking although it is heavily oxbridge dominated - but also you get oxbridge people from all courses e.g. philosophy - not just the quantitative and economics courses).

    I think if you can afford the year out (time and money wise) and have a plan of things you'd like to do (e.g. work, volunteer, travel, learn something on a short course), then I would say take a formal gap year and reapply to Cambridge. Cambridge is better for maths. (IMO Cambridge > Imperial > Oxford).
    And also you will have time to study independently (if you want it that badly) both on A-level and other mathsy stuff. plus i would recommend bolstering your CV with some sort of extra curricular as admissions love that.

    i know only one guy who took a gap year to reapply to oxford (he wanted the 'oxbridge brand' more than anything) and took maths lectures part-time at imperial (for "fun" - i.e. non credit) but he told the imperial maths department he was interested in applying to imperial and wanted to 'get a feel of the course'. I'm not sure this was technically legal - he may have found someone to charm the pants off and who gave him a time-table of the maths lectures for first year students. he also lived at home with his parents in london whilst doing this so obviously he didn't have to worry about spiraling into student debt too much. I'm not saying that this is a main-stream thing to do but if you had contacts and can come up with a convincing set of lies to tell imperial...?
    Alternatively - if you have friends who study at oxbridge for maths - ask to 'shaddow' their lectures? try to talk to the lecturers/tutors... show an interest...
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    (Original post by refref)
    It's harder to get into oxford.

    1050 applications this year, 180 places. Cambridge give out far more offers (to compensate for STEP).
    Well, if you want to be pedantic, that doesn't actually prove it's harder to get into Oxford than to get into Cambridge. It only shows it's easier to get an offer for maths at Cambridge. But is there really such a big difference between getting an offer and then falling at the STEP hurdle and being rejected straight away?:dontknow:
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    Don't do it. What if you get rejected again from Oxford? You'll be kicking yourself in the head for doing so and it's just not worth the anxiety.

    Imperial is a kick-ass uni! Why would you want to leave there anyway?
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    (Original post by hobnob)
    Well, if you want to be pedantic, that doesn't actually prove it's harder to get into Oxford than to get into Cambridge. It only shows it's easier to get an offer for maths at Cambridge. But is there really such a big difference between getting an offer and then falling at the STEP hurdle and being rejected straight away?:dontknow:
    I would say there is a big difference in getting an offer and failing step, to not getting an offer at all.

    I suppose it doesnt really mean that its harder to get into Oxford, but it does seem that alot of people apply there because they think it will be easier, but in turn this just increases the amount of applicants making it harder.
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    (Original post by refref)
    I would say there is a big difference in getting an offer and failing step, to not getting an offer at all.
    But the whole point of those STEP offers is that something like a third of all offer holders will fail to meet them anyway, so Cambridge can afford to give offers to a couple of iffy candidates they might otherwise have rejected, because they can just let STEP do the final weeding out for them.
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    (Original post by hobnob)
    But the whole point of those STEP offers is that something like a third of all offer holders will fail to meet them anyway, so Cambridge can afford to give offers to a couple of iffy candidates they might otherwise have rejected, because they can just let STEP do the final weeding out for them.
    In fact it's closer to a half than a third — only about 55% of offers holders are admitted, and a fair few of them (including all of Sidney Sussex's first years, for example) fall a grade short in one of the papers.
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    (Original post by Mrxela)
    If I were you I would start studying hard asap and reduce the damage. tbh switching uni or course (in your case) means failure .
    That is an exceptionally unhelpful thing to say. It isn't 'failure' to make a pragmatic decision as to whether or not you want to spend the next year and a half of your life at a uni you may not enjoy being at. :rolleyes: If anything it's an incredible bravery to admit that Oxford, in spite of all of the glamour associated with its name, may not be the right place for you. I've wondered it a few times, and I don't think I'm a 'failure' for doing so!

    OP, it's a difficult situation. I think what matters most and what you should be considering is not necessarily the grades but how happy you are here. If you enjoy Oxford, have friends you don't want to leave, then by all means do your utmost to succeed in those collections. However (and I'm just a first year, so ignore my advice if needs be!!!), the longer I'm here the more I realise that Oxford just isn't for anyone. You probably could get better marks and be happier at another university; if you think that these benefits outweigh the disadvantages of losing a year and a half, then go for it.

    Have you tried talking to your Dean? He/she might be able to advise (particularly if you made it clear that your low marks are not a result of laziness!), or even find you another uni and course, if that is what you want, or find ways for your tutors to help you improve your marks.

    Good luck, OP, I hope whatever happens that everything works out for you.
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    (Original post by pavrotte)
    Did you get an interview/pooled last time or straight rejection?
    I got an extra interview, but still was rejected....
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    (Original post by refref)
    It's harder to get into oxford.

    1050 applications this year, 180 places. Cambridge give out far more offers (to compensate for STEP).

    And anyway, it sounds like you just want to go to Oxford, not because of the maths course. I really dont think its worth the trouble.
    Do you know how many apply and get an offer from Cambridge?
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    (Original post by pavrotte)
    I think if you can afford the year out (time and money wise) and have a plan of things you'd like to do (e.g. work, volunteer, travel, learn something on a short course), then I would say take a formal gap year and reapply to Cambridge. Cambridge is better for maths. (IMO Cambridge > Imperial > Oxford).
    Well I considered Cambridge, but I havent been through the interview process so I thought it might be safer to reapply to Oxford again as I've been through it. And I loved the three days being there and I really enjoyed the interviews but just didnt get an offer... T.T
    Did you say 'shadowing lectures??' (or something like that?) What do you mean? I've got a friend who reapplied for Maths and got in the second time. Well, it wasnt straight maths though it was maths with phil.
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    (Original post by Sangin Know)
    Do you know how many apply and get an offer from Cambridge?

    The % of offers given out is about....35~40% I think. But the success rate is 20%, so alot fail STEP.
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    (Original post by Sangin Know)
    Did you say 'shadowing lectures??' (or something like that?) What do you mean? I've got a friend who reapplied for Maths and got in the second time. Well, it wasnt straight maths though it was maths with phil.
    He meant that you might ask your friend very nicely if you can come along to his lectures, so you get an idea of what they're like. Kind of like the shadowing schemes which involve schoolchildren following students about for a day.
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    Hi,

    Just thought I;d ask here as people may be more knowledgeable about this. I want to apply to Oxford this September, however, I am currently at Uni studying a vocational degree and want to up and move in what is a pretty huge change in career direction. Having spoke to oxford admissions on the phone I forgot to ask whether I would be at a disadvantage applying whilst at another Uni, but was told that I would have to justify such a change in direction which is fine.

    Is it frowned upon to apply whilst on another course at a different uni? Whilst Oxford does look ideal and I would love to go there, I am not going to drop out of my current course and put my eggs all in one basket with my application.

    Thanks for any advice.
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    Whatever you choose to do, take your time when making the decision. It's very important - impulsive decisions are the worst!
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    (Original post by Sangin Know)
    I got an extra interview, but still was rejected....
    Holy **** man, just following this thread cuz the exact same thoughts were going through head just now. i got rejected from oxford math and cs, got a second interview nonetheless and an offer from imperial to boot which I'm hoping to ditch next year! small world huh? :rolleyes:

    well godspeed to all of us oxbridge rejects, u think its better if we go for cambridge this time? ive always been in love with oxford for some reason, but cambridge is a better math place no doubt

    PEOPLE TRY TO UNDERSTAND this is an ego thing
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    (Original post by King of Fools)
    Holy **** man, just following this thread cuz the exact same thoughts were going through head just now. i got rejected from oxford math and cs, got a second interview nonetheless and an offer from imperial to boot which I'm hoping to ditch next year! small world huh? :rolleyes:

    well godspeed to all of us oxbridge rejects, u think its better if we go for cambridge this time? ive always been in love with oxford for some reason, but cambridge is a better math place no doubt

    PEOPLE TRY TO UNDERSTAND this is an ego thing
    OMG! same position. I think Im still going for Oxford again as my teacher is really against Cam idea anyway. (well she's against me reapplying.. so annoying) which college did you apply for?
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    (Original post by Sangin Know)
    OMG! same position. I think Im still going for Oxford again as my teacher is really against Cam idea anyway. (well she's against me reapplying.. so annoying) which college did you apply for?
    Did an open app which landed me in St Catherines, (wasn't exactly what I had in mind when I did an open app). haven't talked to my admission office about this just yet so not sure what they'll think.. probably go for a more reputable college this time round; you?

    I dunno man, I've been giving it some thought and maybe wasting a year at imperial's only worth it for the best (cambridge is higher up in rank), even though i still think oxford sounds better :rolleyes:
    besides, whose ever made a movie about applying to cambridge? :P (oxford has at least 2 to its credit)
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    "The Cambridge Colleges will not normally, as a matter of principle, consider applications from students attending other UK universities applying to study the same or a very similar subject at Cambridge."

    looks like applying cambridge has bitten the dust
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    (Original post by King of Fools)
    Did an open app which landed me in St Catherines, (wasn't exactly what I had in mind when I did an open app). haven't talked to my admission office about this just yet so not sure what they'll think.. probably go for a more reputable college this time round; you?

    I dunno man, I've been giving it some thought and maybe wasting a year at imperial's only worth it for the best (cambridge is higher up in rank), even though i still think oxford sounds better :rolleyes:
    besides, whose ever made a movie about applying to cambridge? :P (oxford has at least 2 to its credit)
    yeah, I think i'll go for a college that I really want to go to rather than somewhere like st hugh's.... i chose it because i thought i had a better chance of getting in.

    i went on the cam open day and i preferred oxford better. oxford seems like they have a life lol. what? they have movies about applying to oxbridge? (i mean proper movies...)

    so have you decided on taking a gap year? or are you still thinking?
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    (Original post by Sangin Know)
    yeah, I think i'll go for a college that I really want to go to rather than somewhere like st hugh's.... i chose it because i thought i had a better chance of getting in.

    i went on the cam open day and i preferred oxford better. oxford seems like they have a life lol. what? they have movies about applying to oxbridge? (i mean proper movies...)

    so have you decided on taking a gap year? or are you still thinking?
    totally, 'history boys' and 'an education' (both excellent films though predictably depressing in the fact that the protagonists get offers while we don't)

    gap year? might as well attend imperial for the time being right? I sent an e-mail to oxford and they told me our apps would be treated like any other even if we're already starting year 1 at a different uni. sides a year in london is never wasted :P
 
 
 
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