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    A lot of people aren't comfortable with having the government make it a legal requirement to have purchased healthcare.

    It basically comes down to:

    Big government + more state control = less personal responsibility

    vs.

    Small government + less state control = more personal responsibility.
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    (Original post by Shortarse1)
    A lot of people aren't comfortable with having the government make it a legal requirement to have purchased healthcare.

    It basically comes down to:

    Big government + more state control = less personal responsibility

    vs.

    Small government + less state control = more personal responsibility.
    Well Obama's mandatory healthcare plan which gives private healthcare insurance corporations significant power is not exactly the same as the single payer healthcare system we have in Europe. As for personal responsibility, well I think we have social responsibility towards the sick and elderly as well as to ourselves.
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    (Original post by AnarchistNutter)
    Well Obama's mandatory healthcare plan which gives private healthcare insurance corporations significant power is not exactly the same as the single payer healthcare system we have in Europe. As for personal responsibility, well I think we have social responsibility towards the sick and elderly as well as to ourselves.
    So you fall under the big government man.

    Personally I'm a small government man but hey ho - the principle of small, devolved government is far more present than in the UK so I personally think that's where the debate originates from.
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    (Original post by Shortarse1)
    So you fall under the big government man.

    Personally I'm a small government man but hey ho - the principle of small, devolved government is far more present than in the UK so I personally think that's where the debate originates from.
    If you think the US healthcare system is currently a small government policy, look again. It's amazingly inefficient and bureaucratic.

    Check out a guy called Anthony Weiner on youtube, doing interviews about the healthcare situation. He's quite eloquent.
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    (Original post by Shortarse1)
    So you fall under the big government man.

    Personally I'm a small government man but hey ho - the principle of small, devolved government is far more present than in the UK so I personally think that's where the debate originates from.
    American healthcare is massive government. The US government spends more than two trillion per year on healthcare, pretty much the GDP of France. It spends double per head of the second biggest spender of healthcare (switzerland) and around triple per person what the British government spends. It's an abysmal system that leaves millions in the cold, and costs the taxpayer way, way, way more than any other healthcare progamme on the planet.
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    (Original post by Shortarse1)
    So you fall under the big government man.

    Personally I'm a small government man but hey ho - the principle of small, devolved government is far more present than in the UK so I personally think that's where the debate originates from.
    I don't exactly fall under the realm of "big government", though the detractors of social anarchism would argue that we are plotting some sort of "invisible dictatorship". We can see the goods (e.g. the welfare state) and the bads (corporatism and general red tape) of big government. We want to "move beyond" the welfare state into a voluntary system of free association where the community have democratic control over their local industry and distribute goods according to a generalised view of labour input by local citizens free from government interference . We just think that the community should also look after those genuinely unable to work (and believe they would do so naturally anyway). It's a libertarian form of socialism, if you will.

    However my everyday politics make me think that we need a "big government" in the here and now (social anarchy in the future) namely in the form of a NHS to help the sick and elderly. I know that many Americans who have stayed in the UK for any period of time say that they much prefer our system. There are problems like waiting times but you can upgrade your healthcare if you have the money - and I think many of the problems could be solved by spending less on management and red tape and more on frontline staff. The system is pretty fair since anyone is entitled to healthcare if they need it.

    Just for a bit of clarity, left wing vs. right wing is not as simple as big government vs. small government. I think many politicians and media presenters would like you to think that though. After all, it requires legal contracts to enforce private ownership over capital.
 
 
 
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