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    Might get a positive opinion from Imperial lol.

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    My personal opinion of Imperial is that you will have to work harder; however, you will get time off work to socialise; now, i expect that it's harder to find people to socialise with at Imperial, but honestly, if you want to go to Imperial and have a good social life, it will be possible; you just need to put in the effort. However, when Imperial and UCL are so similar in terms of career prospects i really don't see the point in going to Imperial rather than UCL, of course this is my opinion though.

    I've given my opinion obviously, but yeah, if you want a good time at uni then you will get it at UCL if you want it enough (ie: make the effort).
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    (Original post by AlexB1001)
    This year, as far as I am aware, they gave AAA offers to all biologists (at least all the people in my school applying for Biology), plus as Goldust said they mentioned in the interview day that they had raised the offer. My interviewer gave me my offer in the interview, and told me she wanted to predict me AAB but that was not the standard offer anymore.

    And Goldust, I was interviewed, and it was on the first day of interviewing, though I'm not sure the specific date. And yeah, I think we need input from Imperial people as well!

    I just don't want to randomly choose UCL over Imperial because 'the social life is so much better' and then regret my choice.
    OK, I have to ask the question, which day did you attend interview? I was assisting the Biological Science interviewees with early applications, as a first year undergraduate at UCL who did the same thing last year, and I was fully advocating it.

    To reply to this thread, I had an interview at Oxford, a week before my UCL interview last year, and was rejected (understandably, completely choked up, preparation is a great idea. xD), but I never wanted, and so didn't, apply to Imperial. Phillius, my reasons are the same ones that you are now glad of; although I had, and would always apply to Oxford to at least give it a shot, I felt as if it'd be too restricted, from just the Science and Engineering, limiting the variety of people there, and an environment that I had visited and appreciated, but just didn't think it'd be worth spending three years in a place I would grow to hate. It's a beautiful place, but in kensington (where a friend of mine doing Computer Science there lives) there is none of the hustle and bustle of London; his halls surrounded by the house of millionaires, who complain if your voices are raised above a whisper past dusk, to the extent that you get warnings and can possibly be evicted.

    I'm not just saying this out of hand either; I have been to Imperial, and stayed in the halls: with NAGTY (now YGT) I took a 2 week Astronomy course, and I spent a day there last year, and I do love it for it's quality and academia, but the idea of spending so many years of my life there honestly depressed me. xD;

    What I love at UCL, is not only is there the academic drive and excellence, the excellence of the lecturers, from Steve Jones (although retied, still lecturing), and a recent Science book prize winner, even teaching first year lectures; the geeks, the nerds, yes, but the atmosphere is lively, and the student community alive. I live in (the infamous) Ramsay Halls, five minutes away from Tottenham Court Road and another five to UCL, and I love not only the area surrounding UCL (although my halls are expensive; catered, however the student maintenance loan does not cover it entirely), but Camden, the events you can find in London, and the people. The halls are pretty amazing for London (and the top floor city view at night is beautiful), and after printing 23 copies of my CV, I managed to find a job working at the same bar as my friend within a month. I recommend KOKO, and Leicester Square!

    With the changes I've heard happening to the ICL Biology department, I'm really, really glad I didn't apply now. They have ruined it, according to friends there, and it didn't sound great to begin with. Despite the excellence of the university, I can see how Biological Sciences wouldn't be a priority there, and although the course is likely to still be good, I'd recommend UCL. It's hard work, but you can have a life.
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    (Original post by orca92)
    Might get a positive opinion from Imperial lol.
    lol thanks orca for bringing me in... :P

    okay well i am a fresher at IC doing Bio atm. i had the problem of deciding between UCL and IC and spent 4 months making up my mind last year...i completely understand how u guys feel if u pick IC and then regret and wished u picked UCL instead due to social life, people u meet , and is IC that better for job prospects in sacrifice for social life.... but im certain now IC is the right choice ^_^

    I had my doubts when i first started in oct - yes there are the stereotypes that everyone has in their mind of neeky IC asian guys lurking around and the socially awkward people - but seriously everyone has overhyped this stereotype and the numbers of these stereotype people there are at imp. Unless ur mixing with the compsci and artificial intelligence guys - everyone i've met apart from the odd nerd or 2 are completely fine.

    In terms of the ''spread of people'' due to Imp only being sci/eng/ etc focused and not having arts and stuff- but it doesnt mean u still dont get the variety of people. however yes i admit there is a shortage of exceedingly good looking girls due to a lack of courses like english and history of art.....


    Social life- for me is amazing. My halls and especilly medics+ life science people- bio, biochem, BMS, chemistry - we pretty much all party seriously hard so if ur doing 1 of those courses , i guarantee there will not be a lack of social life due to the people you will meet. also on those courses, ratio is like 50:50 if not 45 guys:55 girls.

    (if u do pick IC - put u like 2 go out and socialise and sleep after 11pm etc etc in ur comments thing when you apply for accomodation so ur put with people with similar interests)

    Not gonna lie- freshers week IC events were pretty ****e. Especially compared to UCL ones XD Also dont forget UCL events- ie CLub Neon - any1 can go- just buy a ticket.

    Location wise- south ken is a great area - loads of shops and things. the only issue i have is pretty much going clubbing in leicester sq area, debut. But not really an issue as theres direct night buses back 2 south ken anyways.

    Career prospects - as philusfun pointed out yeah fine lectures are a bit dull apart from Steve Cooks blah blah he/shes paying 2 learn off wiki ....well theres a reason why IC have a crazily high percentage for grad job prospects from any uni ratings list last time i looked- even higher than oxbridge by a fair bit.

    IC dont sponfeed u - and employers know that. hence why if u get a 2:1 from IC, its pretty much worth a 1st from any other uni bar a few. Esp if u look at the percentages of 2:1s and 1sts they give out.... Also u go to IC to do science, engineering , maths etc etc... its specialised - its the best. u go to UCL to do......econ, law, science etc etc. Im not syaing UCL sciences is bad, far from it , but if u want to do a science u pretty much go to IC because everyone knows its the best. (imo)

    O also wen u grad u get A.R.C.S after your degree which looks pretty good on the cv imo. XD

    1 thing that swayed me is that UCL labs are **** compared to IC labs. UCL spread their money over like 50 different departments- IC labs are top class as they spend vast amounts of money on them (thank u international students )



    Biochem- i'd say have it easier than bio -_-" we got set our first lectures on 2nd day of lectures and its in for the next week. (bearable and expected imo ) . except biochem had a month 2 do theirs -_-"
    also atm biochem jan exam is actualy in feb, bio peoples are next friday.

    any questions feel free ^^
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    (Original post by Pretence)
    lol thanks orca for bringing me in... :P

    okay well i am a fresher at IC doing Bio atm. i had the problem of deciding between UCL and IC and spent 4 months making up my mind last year...i completely understand how u guys feel if u pick IC and then regret and wished u picked UCL instead due to social life, people u meet , and is IC that better for job prospects in sacrifice for social life.... but im certain now IC is the right choice ^_^

    I had my doubts when i first started in oct - yes there are the stereotypes that everyone has in their mind of neeky IC asian guys lurking around and the socially awkward people - but seriously everyone has overhyped this stereotype and the numbers of these stereotype people there are at imp. Unless ur mixing with the compsci and artificial intelligence guys - everyone i've met apart from the odd nerd or 2 are completely fine.

    In terms of the ''spread of people'' due to Imp only being sci/eng/ etc focused and not having arts and stuff- but it doesnt mean u still dont get the variety of people. however yes i admit there is a shortage of exceedingly good looking girls due to a lack of courses like english and history of art.....


    Social life- for me is amazing. My halls and especilly medics+ life science people- bio, biochem, BMS, chemistry - we pretty much all party seriously hard so if ur doing 1 of those courses , i guarantee there will not be a lack of social life due to the people you will meet. also on those courses, ratio is like 50:50 if not 45 guys:55 girls.

    (if u do pick IC - put u like 2 go out and socialise and sleep after 11pm etc etc in ur comments thing when you apply for accomodation so ur put with people with similar interests)

    Not gonna lie- freshers week IC events were pretty ****e. Especially compared to UCL ones XD Also dont forget UCL events- ie CLub Neon - any1 can go- just buy a ticket.

    Location wise- south ken is a great area - loads of shops and things. the only issue i have is pretty much going clubbing in leicester sq area, debut. But not really an issue as theres direct night buses back 2 south ken anyways.

    Career prospects - as philusfun pointed out yeah fine lectures are a bit dull apart from Steve Cooks blah blah he/shes paying 2 learn off wiki ....well theres a reason why IC have a crazily high percentage for grad job prospects from any uni ratings list last time i looked- even higher than oxbridge by a fair bit.

    IC dont sponfeed u - and employers know that. hence why if u get a 2:1 from IC, its pretty much worth a 1st from any other uni bar a few. Esp if u look at the percentages of 2:1s and 1sts they give out.... Also u go to IC to do science, engineering , maths etc etc... its specialised - its the best. u go to UCL to do......econ, law, science etc etc. Im not syaing UCL sciences is bad, far from it , but if u want to do a science u pretty much go to IC because everyone knows its the best. (imo)

    O also wen u grad u get A.R.C.S after your degree which looks pretty good on the cv imo. XD

    1 thing that swayed me is that UCL labs are **** compared to IC labs. UCL spread their money over like 50 different departments- IC labs are top class as they spend vast amounts of money on them (thank u international students )



    Biochem- i'd say have it easier than bio -_-" we got set our first lectures on 2nd day of lectures and its in for the next week. (bearable and expected imo ) . except biochem had a month 2 do theirs -_-"
    also atm biochem jan exam is actualy in feb, bio peoples are next friday.

    any questions feel free ^^
    All the information on this thread has been fantastic - it is nice to see someone advocating Imperial though

    I'm wondering (this is a question to everyone) whether UCL or Imperial degrees (let's assume I was to get the same for each) would make any difference for entry into Harvard/Yale Law School (which is what I'm trying to do). So far the impression I've got is that Imperial is a bit better, but not enough to make a real difference, and (for me) Imperial has a better location, may have better science facilities, but for UCL the social life reigns supreme.

    Thanks, Pretence. It's good to know that for Biology/Biochem/etc. courses the ratio is similar, and all the students have active social lives. I'm not too fussed about being surrounded by 'normal' people - what is normal anyway - but as silly as this may sound, may I ask if there are any so-called attractive girls at Imperial?

    It sounds silly but I was recently warned by a friend that if a girl was attractive, they wouldn't be at Imperial (I am aware this may be a gross generalization but it's got to be asked).

    Seriously thanks for all the advice, people
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    (Original post by AlexB1001)
    but as silly as this may sound, may I ask if there are any so-called attractive girls at Imperial?
    It sounds silly but I was recently warned by a friend that if a girl was attractive, they wouldn't be at Imperial (I am aware this may be a gross generalization but it's got to be asked).
    lol ''so called'' <- yes most definitely. Tbh with u , ive been at UCL halls and fresher parties etc and imo the number of ''so called'' attractive girls is about level with Imp as far as I've seen....(probs because im doing bio, and mix with biochem , chem and medic ppl hence the number of attractive girls is at a peak, not too sure about other depts like compsci and EEE XD)

    bull****. there are a number of fit girls, they know theyre attractive, and they go to imperial because they have a brain as well as looks.
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    Just wanted to put in another positive Imperial experience.

    I'm also a first year Biologist at IC and can completely understand the difficulty you're having deciding- although I didn't apply to UCL, I was torn between Leicester (which did my ideal degree and I fell in love with at the open day) and Imperial (which had the reputation but I loathed the open day) and I spent months agonising over it and then when I finally decided on Imperial, spent more months worrying about what it would actually be like! I can honestly say though that I don't regret coming here for a minute!

    The social life here is pretty good- I've been lucky in that I've made some very close friends in halls and we meet up most evenings ranging from going out to just a night in with a movie and a drink. I heard horror stories before I came about how no-one came out of their room and everyone just spent their entire time working. In my experience, they are very much over exaggerated. Granted there will always be some people that you don't see out of their rooms except during the fire alarm (my corridor is currently almost silent as everyone is revising) but then there are many people that do socialise! You might have to approach people rather than waiting for them to come to you, but I'm pretty shy and I found it relatively easy to make friends. Like Pretence said, Fresher's week was pretty poor events wise but I've found it seems to have got better throughout the term. I actually really enjoy being in such a science/ engineering orientated environment and that was one of the things I worried about!

    Work wise there is quite a lot to do- I'm madly trying to catch up on all the lectures I didn't write up last term at the moment, but if you manage your time and set your mind to it, you can do it and still have a good social life. The library here is amazing which really helps if you're like me and get far too distracted working in your room. You have 2 one hour lectures in the morning every day in the week, with 9am starts the norm, and then either a tutorial, a problem class or a lab in the afternoon. Labs tend to be about2-3 hours long and then for some of them the demonstrators will go down to the computer room to help with problems in the write up- that can make the day quite long, although the post lab write up sessions aren't compulsory it's really really helpful to go, and I usually finish around 6.30 on those days. You do get chucked in the deep end a lot here, as obviously there is a lot of information thrown at you in the lectures and it is up to you to go away and read up on things as there's only so much that can be covered in an hour- we had an essay set our second week and there isn't much guidance given on them so you have to learn pretty quickly how to research and write a scientific essay.

    I love the location, it's very easy to get places from here and the night buses are invaluable! There's a lot of nice shops around and the supermarkets, although a bit of a trek if you're doing a big shop, are within walking distance.

    The boy: girl ratio isn't as noticeable as I thought it'd be- certainly within biology and the other life/ natural sciences and medicine where the ratio is a lot more "normal" than other courses!
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    (Original post by faez307)
    Hey, If you dont mind me asking, is this the same case for Biochemstry as well? I also have no idea which one to choose between ICL or UCL.:confused:
    Hey, I am not sure about Biochemistry, but I have a friend in biochem who voiced similar problems that I am finding atm. But I really can't say.

    After reading several replies from other people on my course (I have no idea who you are, but you sit in a room with me for an average of two hours a day. Bit of a mind**** lol), I think I am probably the exception, and I think a lot of it is down to luck, like who you live with and who are in your halls, and just what your perceptions of uni was before you went.

    Imperial gives back to you when you put the effort in; put effort in outside lectures and you will do well academically. Put effort into the social life and you cant complain. It just depends on what levels of effort you want to put in. At different unis you get different responses I think from different levels of effort, and at Imperial, I think you have to put more in than most.

    Look at it this way, in student satisfaction league tables, we are something like 38th or 40th in the country. Not that bad, but not particularly promising either.

    And about being spoon fed at uni- I know it shouldn't be like that, I think it just takes a long time to adjust from being spoonfed, from, being like Becca1 said, "thrown in the deep end". It takes you out of your comfort zone quite a bit. But talking to other people when I came back home on similar courses at other unis, they seemed to get enough support from their uni to not feel at a complete loss half the time. Maybe it is just me.
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    (Original post by Becca1)
    Just wanted to put in another positive Imperial experience.

    I'm also a first year Biologist at IC and can completely understand the difficulty you're having deciding- although I didn't apply to UCL, I was torn between Leicester (which did my ideal degree and I fell in love with at the open day) and Imperial (which had the reputation but I loathed the open day) and I spent months agonising over it and then when I finally decided on Imperial, spent more months worrying about what it would actually be like! I can honestly say though that I don't regret coming here for a minute!

    The social life here is pretty good- I've been lucky in that I've made some very close friends in halls and we meet up most evenings ranging from going out to just a night in with a movie and a drink. I heard horror stories before I came about how no-one came out of their room and everyone just spent their entire time working. In my experience, they are very much over exaggerated. Granted there will always be some people that you don't see out of their rooms except during the fire alarm (my corridor is currently almost silent as everyone is revising) but then there are many people that do socialise! You might have to approach people rather than waiting for them to come to you, but I'm pretty shy and I found it relatively easy to make friends. Like Pretence said, Fresher's week was pretty poor events wise but I've found it seems to have got better throughout the term. I actually really enjoy being in such a science/ engineering orientated environment and that was one of the things I worried about!

    Work wise there is quite a lot to do- I'm madly trying to catch up on all the lectures I didn't write up last term at the moment, but if you manage your time and set your mind to it, you can do it and still have a good social life. The library here is amazing which really helps if you're like me and get far too distracted working in your room. You have 2 one hour lectures in the morning every day in the week, with 9am starts the norm, and then either a tutorial, a problem class or a lab in the afternoon. Labs tend to be about2-3 hours long and then for some of them the demonstrators will go down to the computer room to help with problems in the write up- that can make the day quite long, although the post lab write up sessions aren't compulsory it's really really helpful to go, and I usually finish around 6.30 on those days. You do get chucked in the deep end a lot here, as obviously there is a lot of information thrown at you in the lectures and it is up to you to go away and read up on things as there's only so much that can be covered in an hour- we had an essay set our second week and there isn't much guidance given on them so you have to learn pretty quickly how to research and write a scientific essay.

    I love the location, it's very easy to get places from here and the night buses are invaluable! There's a lot of nice shops around and the supermarkets, although a bit of a trek if you're doing a big shop, are within walking distance.

    The boy: girl ratio isn't as noticeable as I thought it'd be- certainly within biology and the other life/ natural sciences and medicine where the ratio is a lot more "normal" than other courses!
    Thank you so much for the advice. You hear countless 'UCL has the best social life and is amazing' stories (which are probably true), but all those people go to UCL. With the exception of philisfun, it seems like most Imperial first years seem to enjoy it a lot, despite the heavy work load.

    So seeing that I've gone to school in a relatively good private school in North London, with plenty of fun girls and guys, and have to opportunity to go clubbing (at Tiger Tiger, Koko, Camden clubs like Proud etc.), will there be a big step down into Imperial? I know the work load will increase (bring it on, baby), but if I would classify myself as outgoing/sociable, will I meet a lot of likeminded people?

    Also how does it work with housing? I used to live in South Ken, so I know the place quite well. Do you submit an application, or choose based on price, or what?

    Also, how many essays do you have to write a term, and how much holiday do you get? (If anyone from UCL could answer the same questions, that would be good).
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    (Original post by AlexB1001)
    Thank you so much for the advice. You hear countless 'UCL has the best social life and is amazing' stories (which are probably true), but all those people go to UCL. With the exception of philisfun, it seems like most Imperial first years seem to enjoy it a lot, despite the heavy work load.

    So seeing that I've gone to school in a relatively good private school in North London, with plenty of fun girls and guys, and have to opportunity to go clubbing (at Tiger Tiger, Koko, Camden clubs like Proud etc.), will there be a big step down into Imperial? I know the work load will increase (bring it on, baby), but if I would classify myself as outgoing/sociable, will I meet a lot of likeminded people?

    Also how does it work with housing? I used to live in South Ken, so I know the place quite well. Do you submit an application, or choose based on price, or what?

    Also, how many essays do you have to write a term, and how much holiday do you get? (If anyone from UCL could answer the same questions, that would be good).
    I didn't really go clubbing that much before I came to uni (lived in a rural village with no public transport!) but certainly it exceeded my expectations. There are plenty of people who go out clubbing regularly- during freshers week my hall sold tickets for events at clubs and I know people on my corridor go out pretty much every week. There are so many people about that you're bound to meet someone like-minded. It's probably worth putting down that you're social and enjoy going out when you apply for accommodation so you get put with similar people.

    For accommodation we got sent a link to a form after we'd made Imperial our first choice where we chose 5 "preferred" halls along with room type (although this is definitely no guarantee that you'll get one of those 5) and then you fill in information about yourself (what your hobbies are, when you tend to go to bed etc). You also get asked to chose whether price band or room type is more important. If you want a specific type of room, such as en-suite single then put down room type as being most important.

    Essay-wise, I've written 3 essays this term, plus one write-up (which was basically a day spent in the computer room writing an "essay" analysing results from a field course). We've also done two spreadsheet based lab write ups. You get a week for the essays and then the lab write ups are due in the day after the lab.
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    (Original post by Wuzzie)
    OK, I have to ask the question, which day did you attend interview? I was assisting the Biological Science interviewees with early applications, as a first year undergraduate at UCL who did the same thing last year, and I was fully advocating it.

    To reply to this thread, I had an interview at Oxford, a week before my UCL interview last year, and was rejected (understandably, completely choked up, preparation is a great idea. xD), but I never wanted, and so didn't, apply to Imperial. Phillius, my reasons are the same ones that you are now glad of; although I had, and would always apply to Oxford to at least give it a shot, I felt as if it'd be too restricted, from just the Science and Engineering, limiting the variety of people there, and an environment that I had visited and appreciated, but just didn't think it'd be worth spending three years in a place I would grow to hate. It's a beautiful place, but in kensington (where a friend of mine doing Computer Science there lives) there is none of the hustle and bustle of London; his halls surrounded by the house of millionaires, who complain if your voices are raised above a whisper past dusk, to the extent that you get warnings and can possibly be evicted.

    I'm not just saying this out of hand either; I have been to Imperial, and stayed in the halls: with NAGTY (now YGT) I took a 2 week Astronomy course, and I spent a day there last year, and I do love it for it's quality and academia, but the idea of spending so many years of my life there honestly depressed me. xD;

    What I love at UCL, is not only is there the academic drive and excellence, the excellence of the lecturers, from Steve Jones (although retied, still lecturing), and a recent Science book prize winner, even teaching first year lectures; the geeks, the nerds, yes, but the atmosphere is lively, and the student community alive. I live in (the infamous) Ramsay Halls, five minutes away from Tottenham Court Road and another five to UCL, and I love not only the area surrounding UCL (although my halls are expensive; catered, however the student maintenance loan does not cover it entirely), but Camden, the events you can find in London, and the people. The halls are pretty amazing for London (and the top floor city view at night is beautiful), and after printing 23 copies of my CV, I managed to find a job working at the same bar as my friend within a month. I recommend KOKO, and Leicester Square!

    With the changes I've heard happening to the ICL Biology department, I'm really, really glad I didn't apply now. They have ruined it, according to friends there, and it didn't sound great to begin with. Despite the excellence of the university, I can see how Biological Sciences wouldn't be a priority there, and although the course is likely to still be good, I'd recommend UCL. It's hard work, but you can have a life.
    it takes 5 minutes to get from ramsay to TCR? It's practically on it!
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    it takes 5 minutes to get from ramsay to TCR? It's practically on it!
    I WEAR HEELS. XD And get distracted very easily? xD I was a bit too blase with numbers, you're right. It's a good hall.

    (Original post by ejunknown)
    Phillius, my reasons are the same ones that you are now glad of; although I had, and would always apply to Oxford to at least give it a shot, I felt as if it'd be too restricted, from just the Science and Engineering, limiting the variety of people there, and an environment that I had visited and appreciated, but just didn't think it'd be worth spending three years in a place I would grow to hate.
    Back tracking though I disagree with my past opinions, although, fuuu, that's what i felt at the time. xD
 
 
 
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