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State sponsered Christmas holidays - unsecular? Watch


    (Original post by Chimaira)
    Their holidays for Eid and Ramadan don't "divide civilisations". :rolleyes:
    Your hideous double standards sicken me.
    Well, I'd be happy to make those national holidays too

    What if we simply called it "Winter Holiday" instead of "Christmas Holiday"? Would that solve the problem?
    (If so, it's clearly got nothing to do with being a secular or religious country - it's just a case of semantics).

    I think it's a matter of tradition more than anything, not religion. You've got to have holidays. The way it is now makes sense because most people in this country celebrate Christmas anyway.

    It's a purely hypothetical debate anyway, could you imagine the backlash against any politician who tried to 'steal Christmas'.

    (Original post by TheRevolution)
    Can any country really call itself secular if it makes Christmas day and days around Christmas a national holiday?

    Doesn't it amount to the implicit state support of Christianity over other religions?
    First of all, as others have stated, if you are implying about the UK, there are 26 Bishops sitting the House of Lords and our head of State (the Queen) is head of the Church of England. This obviously means that we are not a secular State.
    However if you are talking about a state that actually is secular - for example the USA or France or another country like that then yeah you maybe have more of an argument however Christmas is not only celebrated by Christians but also atheists and those of other religions. For example my Jewish friends receive Christmas presents on Christmas day. Just because they don't believe in the celebration of the birth of our Lord doesn't mean they don't celebrate the feeling of goodwill, happiness and peace, etc, that is present on Christmas day.
    Thanksgiving is celebrated across America, originally it was for the Pilgrims celebrating surviving in the New World, but now it is time for simply being grateful - you don't have to be an Old Stock American to do that..
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