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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Not getting dragged into this, for the ninth time this year.
    Though on record, I don't really care much for harming any other being other than a Human or one that I own, so I would be against rape and pedophillia and such forth because it harms Humans.

    But if it harms Animals? I couldent care less.
    You're arbitrarily discriminating, like racism and sexism.

    Cool man.
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    I don't agree with anyone killing things for fun, or killing bugs and spiders because you're too lazy to put it out the window.
    And to all those who say 'unless you're going to eat it'... No need to hunt for your food nowadays, fresh Venison Steak is £5.49 at Sainsbury's.
    Why kill for fun? Why not join a culling team? At least then no extra animals have to die than would anyway.
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    (Original post by 66CC99)
    You're arbitrarily discriminating, like racism and sexism.

    Cool man.
    Damn right, and if it was Sexism or Racism in Humans, I wouldent stand for it.

    However outside our immediate species, I couldn't care less.
    It's an evolutionary reaction to put the survival of my own kind above the survival of others, you know evolution, like eating meat.
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    (Original post by Boobies.)
    I don't agree with anyone killing things for fun, or killing bugs and spiders because you're too lazy to put it out the window.
    And to all those who say 'unless you're going to eat it'... No need to hunt for your food nowadays, fresh Venison Steak is £5.49 at Sainsbury's.
    Why kill for fun? Why not join a culling team? At least then no extra animals have to die than would anyway.
    You do realise Venison is hunted not farmed?
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Damn right, and if it was Sexism or Racism in Humans, I wouldent stand for it.

    However outside our immediate species, I couldn't care less.
    It's an evolutionary reaction to put the survival of my own kind above the survival of others,
    You have also evolved a brain to think. And you can relinquish your primal instincts to EAT **** SEX etc.

    You're using the same *******y arguments racists and misogynists used to put down black people and women. It's just discrimination and I can't wait until enlightenment happens and people cast off their discrimination and become more clever.

    you know evolution, like eating meat.
    herp derp, man put unintelligent incoherent point together to make pointless pithy statement.
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    I have never heard of hunting animals being called trophy hunting before. Weird.

    My boyfriend hunts animals, but he lives on a farm and usually only goes for rabbits and other disruptive animals. Personally I think that it depends why you're doing it. If you are just shooting things for fun, then that's wrong in my book, but if you have some sort of reason ex. hunting for food, hunting animals which mess up your farm etc. then that's fine.
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    (Original post by 66CC99)
    You have also evolved a brain to think. And you can relinquish your primal instincts to EAT **** SEX etc.

    You're using the same *******y arguments racists and misogynists used to put down black people and women. It's just discrimination and I can't wait until enlightenment happens and people cast off their discrimination and become more clever.



    herp derp, man put unintelligent incoherent point together to make pointless pithy point.
    Refute it then, prove that we didn't evolve to eat meat.
    I have to eat meat, im a semi-pro Athlete, my training regime has a very high-carb protein intake.
    Yes I could match the intake in a vegetarian diet, however it would cost me so much that I couldn't afford to pay my rent.
    Im not going to be homeless and give up a career for your Carebareing.

    A vegetarian culture, would kill more animals than a meat-eating one.
    It would be economically more expensive to maintain.
    it would be more susceptible to food shortage in the case of natural disasters and adverse weather conditions.

    We are animals, animals eat meat, we are in a group of animals that eat meat, eating meat has no adverse effects that cannot be easily avoided.
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    (Original post by Lemons)
    I have never heard of hunting animals being called trophy hunting before. Weird.

    My boyfriend hunts animals, but he lives on a farm and usually only goes for rabbits and other disruptive animals. Personally I think that it depends why you're doing it. If you are just shooting things for fun, then that's wrong in my book, but if you have some sort of reason ex. hunting for food, hunting animals which mess up your farm etc. then that's fine.
    Trophy Hunting is when you hunt an animal, for the head/horns/tusks , it's exactly as the name describes hunting for the purpose to make the Animal a Trophy to testify to the kill.

    I don't really think hunting "for food" can really be acceptable in the West, since none of us "need" to do it.

    Unless you mean, it's ok to hunt "as long as you use it, for food?"
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    You do realise Venison is hunted not farmed?
    Its the same thing :L
    Killing an animal is killing an animal, whether farmed or hunted.

    My point is that you can't justify killing a deer with you needing to eat it (unless you can't afford meat in which case.. eat veg) because you're not going to starve. There's loads of meat already dead in the supermarket, Why kill more?

    Thus saying trophy killing is OK because you need to eat is pretty much nonsense.
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    (Original post by Boobies.)
    Its the same thing :L
    Killing an animal is killing an animal, whether farmed or hunted.

    My point is that you can't justify killing a deer with you needing to eat it (unless you can't afford meat in which case.. eat veg) because you're not going to starve. There's loads of meat already dead in the supermarket, Why kill more?

    Thus saying trophy killing is OK because you need to eat is pretty much nonsense.
    Exactly, which is why I dont see how Anti-Hunters always say "if your not wasting the meat it's ok"

    Im arguing purely that theres nothing wrong with hunting full stop, as long as we take care of the population.
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    I like to hunt the deadliest game of all.....man.
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    The only form of hunting which can be justified in my eyes is hunting for food - that is, people who intend to eat every single creature they kill. I can't really argue against people who do this, infact, I think all meat-eaters should be willing to kill an animal themselves.

    Any other reason, especially the "it's fun" argument, can never justify a killing.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Exactly, which is why I dont see how Anti-Hunters always say "if your not wasting the meat it's ok"

    Im arguing purely that theres nothing wrong with hunting full stop, as long as we take care of the population.
    Which is the excuse all hunters use.

    Do you carry out assessments of how many animals there are, what number of the species would give an optimal benefit to the area, and therefore how many should be killed, before you go hunting?

    Its fine saying 'I'm controlling the population' when really there may not be enough to provide optimal benefit to begin with, or you may kill more than is useful.

    Trophy hunters have led many species to being endangered. Not really controlling a population as the process is haphazard and no judgement is carried out on what is control, and what is depleting.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Trophy Hunting is when you hunt an animal, for the head/horns/tusks , it's exactly as the name describes hunting for the purpose to make the Animal a Trophy to testify to the kill.

    I don't really think hunting "for food" can really be acceptable in the West, since none of us "need" to do it.

    Unless you mean, it's ok to hunt "as long as you use it, for food?"
    Saying that you hunt for food doesn't necessarily imply that you need to hunt to get food. People who grow vegetables to eat don't need to grow them to get food. What I mean is basically, as long as you don't kill something purely for the sake of killing it and whatever thrill you get from that then that's ok. If you kill an animal because you enjoy it and want to show off that you killed it, which I guess is why you would kill something for a 'trophy', then I think that's morally wrong.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    One, why is it Ethically reprehensible, unless you are going to ascribe to an Absolute Morality, or argue that animals should be afforded rights on par with us, I just don't see how it can be.
    Animals have a right to inhabit the Earth just as much as we do. It's got nothing to do with 'absolute morality', it's just common sense. If you ascribe to the idea that 'anything is fair game, we own the planet and I have a right to kill off anything I like', then the world's eco-system would be fair game and shot down within minutes.
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    (Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
    Animals have a right to inhabit the Earth just as much as we do. It's got nothing to do with 'absolute morality', it's just common sense. If you ascribe to the idea that 'anything is fair game, we own the planet and I have a right to kill off anything I like', then the world's eco-system would be fair game and shot down within minutes.
    Which is why we should ascribe to moderation also why the vast vast majority of hunters do so in season in areas specifically deisnged and kept for mainly that sole purpose, where the population is kept healthy and the damage to the ecosystem is basically non-existant.
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    (Original post by Boobies.)
    Which is the excuse all hunters use.

    Do you carry out assessments of how many animals there are, what number of the species would give an optimal benefit to the area, and therefore how many should be killed, before you go hunting?
    Generally yes, we always check in with Natural Wildlife, and enviromentl agncies, as well as the Governing hunting body of the area(as do 90% of most sport hunters).

    There are always strict quotas on just how many and what you can stalk, and the numbers are always based on the (amazingly unlikely) assumption that every single hunter who goes in will be able to take down the maximum number he is quota'd, which never ever happens.

    For example in South Dakota, legally each winter season you can take down seven deer, ive never meta hunter who has managed to take three in a winter stalk.
    Ive heard of it done, but it's unusual, never mind every Hunter pulling it off.
    Populations in Government controlled hunting zones, flourish.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Which is why we should ascribe to moderation also why the vast vast majority of hunters do so in season in areas specifically deisnged and kept for mainly that sole purpose, where the population is kept healthy and the damage to the ecosystem is basically non-existant.
    No, hunting for anything other than sustenance is unethical.
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    (Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
    No, hunting for anything other than sustenance is unethical.
    Why?
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Why?
    Because it is inhumane.
 
 
 
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