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    (Original post by markuk99)
    None give you free internet as you pay for the free internet within your monthly tarrif.

    the point with blackberry is that you also pay for BBM secure services as well, for everything to go through its servers. Having to pay for this within your monthly tarrif means you pay a similar monthly price to the best smartphones out, yet yuu are given a blackberry phone, which hardware-wise is no different to a cheap 3 years old pay as you go phone worth 40 quid new.

    to give an example... a galaxy s costs around 250 quid in parts and components. A blackberry bold costs about 20 pounds. Yet both phones cost the same on tarrif, despite the galaxy s being massively superior in every single aspect, and also having equivalent BBM services using Whatsapp, which is also cross platform and free unlie BBM! So why does the backberry bold cost the same on tarrif as the galaxy s? Because you are paying for BBM services - EVEN THO the equivalent services are free on all other smartphones lol
    Can you give me the source of this info please
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      (Original post by markuk99)
      None give you free internet as you pay for the free internet within your monthly tarrif.

      the point with blackberry is that you also pay for BBM secure services as well, for everything to go through its servers. Having to pay for this within your monthly tarrif means you pay a similar monthly price to the best smartphones out, yet yuu are given a blackberry phone, which hardware-wise is no different to a cheap 3 years old pay as you go phone worth 40 quid new.

      to give an example... a galaxy s costs around 250 quid in parts and components. A blackberry bold costs about 20 pounds. Yet both phones cost the same on tarrif, despite the galaxy s being massively superior in every single aspect, and also having equivalent BBM services using Whatsapp, which is also cross platform and free unlie BBM! So why does the backberry bold cost the same on tarrif as the galaxy s? Because you are paying for BBM services - EVEN THO the equivalent services are free on all other smartphones lol
      You know, you have a good argument, if it wasn't for that one sentence. A good carrier will include BB internet service as the internet part of the bundle for no extra charge - 100 mins/unlimited texts/500mb internet tariff should cost the same on a BB device as a non-BB one. Unfortunately they don't all work that way. But then again, in return you get the best push notification system in the business, so it's swings and roundabouts.
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      (Original post by NothingCrushesUs)
      A lot of people throughout TSR's phone threads seem to think that BBM is free. Here is why it isn't.

      1. Blackberry charges
      Whether or not these are taken into account in your contract automatically, you are paying £5/month for so called "blackberry charges".

      2. It uses data
      Yes, BBM uses your internet connection - there is no fairy that jumps between BB phones carrying messages and flashing lights. That means that if you're a UK user that goes to Japan, you're going to be paying approximately £7.50/MB. Most definitely not free abroad as some are saying.


      If anyone would like to add to this, then I'll edit things in.
      If you have a wifi connection abroad it is free, or as you are putting it at no extra cost... Im currently doing it now.
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      Give me an iPhone 4 any day.




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      Sure, all these cheap budget Pay-As-You-Go querty phones cost less than £40 to buy offline, and are all better specced hardware-wise than the blackberry bold, with better screens, faster processors, better cameras etc.





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      (Original post by FXX)
      You know, you have a good argument, if it wasn't for that one sentence. A good carrier will include BB internet service as the internet part of the bundle for no extra charge - 100 mins/unlimited texts/500mb internet tariff should cost the same on a BB device as a non-BB one. Unfortunately they don't all work that way. But then again, in return you get the best push notification system in the business, so it's swings and roundabouts.
      But you *are* paying for it simply because a £30/month tarrif with a proper premium smart phone such as the galaxy s will give you the same internet, texts, minutes as a £30/month blacberry bold tarrif. Yet the galaxy s costs more than 10 times the price of a blackberry bold in terms of hardware and parts to manufacture. THe processor, screen, camera, and components in a blackberry bold are so old fashioned and dated that equivalents of the blackberrybold costs less than the £40 off line on pay as you go, despite having better specs even ! Even just the super amoled screen on a galaxy s phone costs more than the entire blackberry bold, or even just the 1ghz hummingbird processor (which makes the phone as fast as my old laptop lol).
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      Yeah I have a Nokia C3 which was like 60 quid and it's equivalent to, if not better than most of the blackberry range except the very top models, looks much sleeker aswell



      People are like OMG IT DOESN'T HAVE BBM THOUGH and I'm all like.... unlimited texts mother****er!
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        (Original post by markuk99)
        But you *are* paying for it simply because the tarrif you get with a blackberry bold is the same as the tarrif you get with a top end *proper* smartphone such as the galaxy s, even though a blackberry bold costs just 20% the price of a galaxy s in terms of hardware components.
        You keep saying that (do you actually have a source or not?), and you're also forgetting that hardware is half the story. If Samsung used their own OS things would be very different.

        Protip: Galaxy S is not a top end smartphone.
        Protip 2: we're talking about BBM and other BB internet features, which you can get on any BlackBerry. Why not check out the tariffs on the Curves?
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        Err the galaxy s is rated in the top 4 best phones currently out in the world according to the industry standard Techradar. Even the de-facto GSM Arena rated it above the iphone4 for example. No blackberry phone even makes it into the top 15 best phones according to techradar.

        In terms of top end smartphone, the galaxy s has the fastest processor on any phone in the UK, it also has the most highly specced graphics chip on any phone in the world, whilst the super amoled screen technology is regarded as the best screen on any phone. A 16GB Galaxy S costs £550 to buy offline. One of the most expensive phones to buy offline in the UK.
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        (Original post by Jono404)
        Yeah I have a Nokia C3 which was like 60 quid and it's equivalent to, if not better than most of the blackberry range except the very top models, looks much sleeker aswell



        People are like OMG IT DOESN'T HAVE BBM THOUGH and I'm all like.... unlimited texts mother****er!
        LOL Exactly. You dont need BBM, why dont you download Whatsapp from the nokia ovi market. Its crossplatform free messaging, that allows you to send photos, voice clips, map location, and video clips. Its available on android, symbian, iphone, and blackberry.

        There really is no logical reason for most people to buy a blackberry, theyre just gullible sadly.
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          (Original post by markuk99)
          Err the galaxy s is rated in the top 4 best phones currently out in the world according to the industry standard Techradar. Even the de-facto GSM Arena rated it above the iphone4 for example. No blackberry phone even makes it into the top 15 best phones according to techradar.

          In terms of top end smartphone, the galaxy s has the fastest processor on any phone in the UK, it also has the most highly specced graphics chip on any phone in the world, whilst the super amoled screen technology is regarded as the best screen on any phone. A 16GB Galaxy S costs £550 to buy offline. One of the most expensive phones to buy offline in the UK.
          TechRadar is a blog, not an industry standard. You can't provide a source that says a BlackBerry costs £20 to make, nor can you be bothered to look at the cheaper BlackBerrys to see that you're talking complete crap about the pricing. £550 for that phone is a total ripoff - can't believe you can say BBs are overpriced when you look at that.
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          (Original post by FXX)
          You keep saying that (do you actually have a source or not?), and you're also forgetting that hardware is half the story. If Samsung used their own OS things would be very different.

          Protip: Galaxy S is not a top end smartphone.
          Protip 2: we're talking about BBM and other BB internet features, which you can get on any BlackBerry. Why not check out the tariffs on the Curves?
          Not a top end smartphone :toofunny:. Or are you joking :holmes:
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          (Original post by FXX)
          TechRadar is a blog, not an industry standard. You can't provide a source that says a BlackBerry costs £20 to make, nor can you be bothered to look at the cheaper BlackBerrys to see that you're talking complete crap about the pricing. £550 for that phone is a total ripoff - can't believe you can say BBs are overpriced when you look at that.
          Techradar and gsm arena are both *the* industry standard when it comes to in depth impartial reviews of all mobile phones. The other one is fone arena. Irrespective of which site you favour, its not a secret that on any mobile phone review site, the general consensus is that the blackberry range has a long way to even come close to the matching the calibre of proper top end smartphones.

          Also with regards to the blacberry bold build-costs being about 20 quid to make now, ive already shown you a list of very similar phones in terms of hardware and specs (infact those phones are significantly better) yet they cost £40 quid to buy off line new lol !

          even when the Blackberry Bold came out in 2008, it cost 80 quid in parts and build costs, yet was selling off line for 400 quid ! http://www.slashgear.com/blackberry-...build-2820579/
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          (Original post by markuk99)
          None give you free internet as you pay for the free internet within your monthly tarrif.

          the point with blackberry is that you also pay for BBM secure services as well, for everything to go through its servers. Having to pay for this within your monthly tarrif means you pay a similar monthly price to the best smartphones out, yet yuu are given a blackberry phone, which hardware-wise is no different to a cheap 3 years old pay as you go phone worth 40 quid new.

          to give an example... a galaxy s costs around 250 quid in parts and components. A blackberry bold costs about 20 pounds. Yet both phones cost the same on tarrif, despite the galaxy s being massively superior in every single aspect, and also having equivalent BBM services using Whatsapp, which is also cross platform and free unlie BBM! So why does the backberry bold cost the same on tarrif as the galaxy s? Because you are paying for BBM services - EVEN THO the equivalent services are free on all other smartphones lol
          Adding this to the main article - thanks
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          (Original post by Serentonin)
          Well I only pay £5 a month for my BB contract, so it seems pretty free to me haha.
          woow?! What contract are u on??
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          to be honest mobile phones were originally meant for phone calls and messaging which the blackberry offers, its fast and easy to type with the qwerty keyboard.
          you dont buy a phone to play games or use it as your main camera because there are other things for that!
          just saying.
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            (Original post by hud-tomli)
            to be honest mobile phones were originally meant for phone calls and messaging which the blackberry offers, its fast and easy to type with the qwerty keyboard.
            you dont buy a phone to play games or use it as your main camera because there are other things for that!
            just saying.
            That's a poor argument tbh. We live in 2011, why carry around three separate devices (phone, camera, games console) when you can have it all in one device?
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            (Original post by FXX)
            That's a poor argument tbh. We live in 2011, why carry around three separate devices (phone, camera, games console) when you can have it all in one device?
            i agree with what your saying but im jus saying when i look for a phone i dont look for a phone where you can get loads of games and a 10mp camera, i look for a phone where you can message fast which the blackberry has to offer with the qwerty keyboard.
            i have nothing against android phones though.
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            (Original post by FXX)
            That's a poor argument tbh. We live in 2011, why carry around three separate devices (phone, camera, games console) when you can have it all in one device?
            Because you could end up with poor phone functionality, poor camera in some cases, and a very **** games console anyway compared to dedicated kit like ps3/360 anyway, and before you say but its a tiny phone they dont need to be like the ps3, then why bother trying to incorporate a games console as you say??
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              (Original post by teshnit)
              Because you could end up with poor phone functionality, poor camera in some cases, and a very **** games console anyway compared to dedicated kit like ps3/360 anyway, and before you say but its a tiny phone they dont need to be like the ps3, then why bother trying to incorporate a games console as you say??
              Well it depends if you're after hardcore CoD-style gameplay or just want a basic game to pass the time on the bus. Potentially, you can get a good phone with a good camera that can play games. Just saves carrying three things when you can carry one, and you don't need to carry any extra attachments with it either. Yes you don't get a camera as good as a DSLR and you won't get a games console that can play with 360/PS3 style graphics/gameplay, but these days you get good compromises. When games for phones are pretty much all less than a fiver it's probably a cheaper way of getting games on the go anyway. The only real issue is battery life.
             
             
             
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