(Original post by shinytoy)
i highly doubt a substantial proportion of BVC graduates have 2:2s or 3rds. You would be kidding yourself to think otherwise. My friend has completed BVC at College of Law and NO-ONE had below a 2:1
I would be very VERY sceptical of that.
This is how law school applications essentially work:
Law school: Are you a living person with a qualifying law degree?
Law school: Good, do you have £18k to give us for your course fees?
Applicant: Erm, well, I'm going to beg, borrow and steal it but I will do, yes.
Law school: Excellent. Congratulations, welcome to our institution.
They don't care whether you're good, they don't care whether you're likely to succeed at obtaining pupillage, they care that you have a pulse and access to the funds they want from you. That's it. Go have a search and you will find year after year, legal commentators asking whether law schools owe their students more responsibility because they let so many study qualifications that will be of no use to them.
I've already linked you to an article where CoL themselves admit that "over 60%" of their students obtained a 2:1 or higher. (68.4% in 2008-9) Obviously some of those 2:2s (and lower) are on the GDL, LPC and the other qualifications that law schools offer but we can presume a fairly even spread due to the fairly undiscriminating application process. BPP confirmed 74% of their students had a 2:1 or higher.
So no, we're not "kidding ourselves", there are huge numbers of students who are unfortunately very unlikely to obtain pupillage because they just aren't suitable candidates and weren't the second they graduated from their undergraduate degree.
therefore i wold assume you are not currently on the BVC, and most likely have no degree either.
from this i can inform you, you should not concern yourself with the general odds of getting into the bar. you would find yourself in the minority of applicants who are significantly under par.
Considering Chalks has been in practice at a law firm for over 10 years and is a respected opinion in the law forums, you're making yourself look very silly shiny...
my reference to driving tests in brentwood are a comparison between the test pass rate (28%) and the statistic sevenstars is stating of 25% of an application to the bar being successful. the chances of either being a success are of comparable probability. though see my comment above - i wouldnt expect you to understand this.
The problem with this analogy is that the success rates aren't reliant on the same things. Passing a driving test relies mostly on the applicant's driving ability on that day. Other factors such as traffic, weather, the route taken have a minor influence but it is created to test YOUR driving ability. There is little you can do to improve your odds apart from practice.
Pupillage depends on your suitability as a candidate for the chambers you're applying to, the application/place ratio at that chambers and a certain amount of luck that you're the best person applying.
If you apply to the top sets, things are likely to be a lot more competitive (which is what your site claiming 1/400 was referring to, not every single pupillage out there). If you're applying for a provincial chambers or wish to specify in an unpopular area of the law, your odds are significantly greater as there the applicant/pupillage ratio will be lower.
Eventually, it doesn't matter how much you play the game and give yourself the best odds possible because you're not sure what you're up against. It takes ONE person to be better than you in the eyes of chambers and you've lost out on pupillage with that chambers in that cycle. With a driving test, if you're the second best candidate of the day, you still get a licence.
It's difficult to model the statistics because we don't know the spread of individual candidates to individual chambers (with some outliers really skewing the probabilities), it's hard to account for changing fashions in legal practice and how long it takes for that to impact on applications, we have little idea just how many unsuitable candidates are applying...
wait...you're still in school arent you
both of you come back in 10 years when you are adults and then post about how easy it is to get pupillage. until then, just go back to playing white wig dressup in the playgrounds.
Nobody is claiming it's easy to obtain pupillage. It's not. It's not quite as dire a situation as you're making out either though.
There are a number of pupillages out there and a number of good candidates to fill them. Yes, some good candidates will be left disappointed at their first attempt but it's not quite so awful that nobody should bother.