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....... it'd lower taxes too
Indeed it would but your private healthcare insurance premiums would go through the roof.

At the moment the UK private healthcare industry only has to pay for a tiny amount of their own facilities because most of the treatment they provide is done so using NHS-owned facilities, all they pay for is usage of the facilities.

How much do you think it'd cost to run a full hospital with A&E etc in the private sector?

Why do you think the per-head cost of healthcare in the US costs their government (and remember, this is a country without universal healthcare) is nearly $3000 more per year than in the UK (a country with universal healthcare)?

How much do you think an emergency ambulance ride, often classed as an non-claimable additional expense by US HMOs, would cost you?
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The UK Government spends about $3200 per capita on healthcare, and reaches all of the population.
The US Government spends about $3700 per capita on healthcare but only reaches 28% of the population.
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I know which system I prefer.
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For all of you who complain about the NHS, why don't you go private? It's as simple as that. The money you are contributing to the NHS is minuscule, so don't give me this crap about not wanting to pay for services you don't use. You also probably don't use the fire department that often but I'm willing to bet you'll be begging them to come when your house is on fire. I bet most of you don't think you need the police that often either but they're working to keep you safe without holding you accountable for the costs. You know what else your taxes pay for? Schools, care centres, playgrounds, community centres, youth centres, your bus driver, your train driver, your local builder, your community safety and cleanliness. All these things that make your area a better place to live. Emergency services that will save you regardless of your colour, creed or content of your wallet.

You say it isn't your responsibility to pay for other people? Well you, alone, are not. Collectively, we all are. And those people who otherwise would be unable to pay for their healthcare are the ones who work under you, who do the jobs you don't that keep your line of work running. Without them and their good health you would be nothing. Think of it as an investment into your own bank account you selfish bastar.d
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(Original post by lawology)
Okay, so yes YOU'd be better off with a private healthcare system, but what about the majority of people who'd be far worse off if the NHS was privatised? Either you're incapable of seeing the wider picture or you're quite selfish in my opinion.
Why should he have thousands stolen from him each year just so that the British public can indulge in their wish for healthcare free at the point of use?
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(Original post by Deema)
For all of you who complain about the NHS, why don't you go private? It's as simple as that. The money you are contributing to the NHS is minuscule, so don't give me this crap about not wanting to pay for services you don't use. You also probably don't use the fire department that often but I'm willing to bet you'll be begging them to come when your house is on fire. I bet most of you don't think you need the police that often either but they're working to keep you safe without holding you accountable for the costs. You know what else your taxes pay for? Schools, care centres, playgrounds, community centres, youth centres, your bus driver, your train driver, your local builder, your community safety and cleanliness. All these things that make your area a better place to live. Emergency services that will save you regardless of your colour, creed or content of your wallet.

You say it isn't your responsibility to pay for other people? Well you, alone, are not. Collectively, we all are. And those people who otherwise would be unable to pay for their healthcare are the ones who work under you, who do the jobs you don't that keep your line of work running. Without them and their good health you would be nothing. This of it as an investment into your own bank account you selfish bastar.d
There is no such thing as society. There are men, women, and families.
Margaret Thatcher

I think that that explains my position very well.
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(Original post by isaqyi)
Why should he have thousands stolen from him each year just so that the British public can indulge in their wish for healthcare free at the point of use?
I know, how selfish.

But why stop there? Why the hell should we pay for free loading Brits to be rescued from fires? Why should we pay for them to be protected on the street.

Living in a society which protects its most vulnerable citizens makes me sick.
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(Original post by isaqyi)
There is no such thing as society. There are men, women, and families.
Margaret Thatcher

I think that that explains my position very well.
Unfortunately for you then, this is a country that runs on the basis of society. If you don't like it move to America where they will happily kick you out of a hospital mid-treatment if your insurance runs out.

You are very naive to believe there is no such thing as society. You and your group of friends? That's a society. You and your family and their friends? Another society. TSR? A society. We all function via societies, groups of people working in synergy. Your workplace? Society. If everyone was as inflexibly independent as you nothing would ever get done.

Congratulations, you are the retardation of society and of mankind itself.
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(Original post by Deema)
For all of you who complain about the NHS, why don't you go private? It's as simple as that. The money you are contributing to the NHS is minuscule, so don't give me this crap about not wanting to pay for services you don't use. You also probably don't use the fire department that often but I'm willing to bet you'll be begging them to come when your house is on fire. I bet most of you don't think you need the police that often either but they're working to keep you safe without holding you accountable for the costs. You know what else your taxes pay for? Schools, care centres, playgrounds, community centres, youth centres, your bus driver, your train driver, your local builder, your community safety and cleanliness. All these things that make your area a better place to live. Emergency services that will save you regardless of your colour, creed or content of your wallet.

You say it isn't your responsibility to pay for other people? Well you, alone, are not. Collectively, we all are. And those people who otherwise would be unable to pay for their healthcare are the ones who work under you, who do the jobs you don't that keep your line of work running. Without them and their good health you would be nothing. Think of it as an investment into your own bank account
This, without a doubt. OP, why have you chosen not to address these points?
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Universal healthcare is a difficult issue. It is the only real reason that the wars against drugs and cigarettes continue to exist - if we all had private healthcare then the government would have no basis for controlling our decisions. But that is an aside, we have public healthcare, and it is a force for good overall.

In any case, you live in a country in which the upkeep of society is your responsibility as much as it is anybody else's. Don't like it? Fine, grab your coat.
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(Original post by isaqyi)
I am considering getting private health insurance, but no longer wish to contribute to the NHS as it is the worst healthcare system in Western Europe. I do not see it as my responsibility to pay for other peoples' healthcare, when I am more than willing to pay for my own.

Is there any way I can stop the British public stealing my money to pay for their healthcare?
no, i need it for the operation im about to have, which i would never be able to afford with private healthcare cheers for your money
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(Original post by isaqyi)
There is no such thing as society. There are men, women, and families.
Margaret Thatcher

I think that that explains my position very well.
Taken out of context and on a subject which has litle to do with the NHS (oh and she didn't actually use the words "there is no such thing as society" either).

The speech in full.

She was actually refering to DSS and dole payments.
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The whole point is that the rich subsidise the poor. If you don't want to pay for public services I'm afraid your only option is to move to a country that doesn't have them.
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(Original post by Deema)
For all of you who complain about the NHS, why don't you go private? It's as simple as that. The money you are contributing to the NHS is minuscule, so don't give me this crap about not wanting to pay for services you don't use. You also probably don't use the fire department that often but I'm willing to bet you'll be begging them to come when your house is on fire. I bet most of you don't think you need the police that often either but they're working to keep you safe without holding you accountable for the costs. You know what else your taxes pay for? Schools, care centres, playgrounds, community centres, youth centres, your bus driver, your train driver, your local builder, your community safety and cleanliness. All these things that make your area a better place to live. Emergency services that will save you regardless of your colour, creed or content of your wallet.

You say it isn't your responsibility to pay for other people? Well you, alone, are not. Collectively, we all are. And those people who otherwise would be unable to pay for their healthcare are the ones who work under you, who do the jobs you don't that keep your line of work running. Without them and their good health you would be nothing. Think of it as an investment into your own bank account you selfish bastar.d
Nicely said.
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Stop earning money and then you won't be paying for it how can you be stupid enough not to see this obvious loop hole
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(Original post by isaqyi)
The people on this thread are just charity cases. Go and bleat to the Salvation Army if it's charity you want; I couldn't care less!
Wow...
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I like the NHS. They're providing me with specialist support for my eating disorder, antidepressants and I have a GP I can go to and talk about my problems with. And I don't have to pay a penny.

The NHS are keeping me alive because I couldn't cope without this support. Maybe it has it's flaws but the benefits are huge - for everyone.
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If you can afford to pay ridiculous prices for private healthcare, I hardly doubt you're going to miss the small amount of tax you pay to the NHS in comparison.

People really don't appreciate what the NHS does for us, you might complain about the long waits but I'm sure you'd complain more if you had to pay £5000 every time you break an arm. If you're not happy then move to America or something, that way you can pay ludicrous prices for health insurance and then have your claim denied by the greedy money grabbing capitalist corporations than run the healthcare industry. The NHS is one of the few healthcare services in the world that does not set out to make a profit, but to look after the members of the country like any moral system should.
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(Original post by isaqyi)
There is no such thing as society. There are men, women, and families.
Margaret Thatcher

I think that that explains my position very well.
Ah, yes, Margaret Thatcher, the saviour of the right.

The one who campaigned for reducing taxes then ups their cost through the Poll Tax?

I feel pity for you for believing the bull****, crap and lies that that insane old harridan came out with.
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I do like how the OP is totally ignoring the point that if he didn't have to pay for the NHS, then he probably would not be able to afford private healthcare! (because it would also have to pay for everything that private companies currently rely on the NHS for).
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This, without a doubt. OP, why have you chosen not to address these points?
I addressed it when I quoted Margaret Thatcher.
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