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    (Original post by kellywood_5)
    Grammar schools do count as state schools. Whether admissions tutors distinguish between state grammars and state comprehensives, I don't know, but the system at Cambridge takes into account how good the school is in terms of results rather than just whether it's private or state, so I'd imagine they do.
    Yeah they do, but they're less keen on showing off their stats on admissions given that Cambridge have near on 50% state school and only between 5-10% from comprehensives.

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    Really?? Blimey. i feel like such a minority...
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    (Original post by musicbloke)
    I take it you read it in that completely r etarded book by Elfi Pallis (who claims to be a socialist but has completely crap ideas on admissions and access and has actually really damaged the access system).

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    I read that book thinking it might be helpful, but it was disgusting. It basically made out that you should groom your child from a young age and steer them towards Oxbridge as early as possible, taking them to libraries, museums and exhibitions as much as you can. It was bizarre.
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    (Original post by Jigglypuff)
    I read that book thinking it might be helpful, but it was disgusting. It basically made out that you should groom your child from a young age and steer them towards Oxbridge as early as possible, taking them to libraries, museums and exhibitions as much as you can. It was bizarre.
    mmm, cultural capital.

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    Is this the book that tries to help people by saying Oxbridge "demand a kitbag that includes sport, music, leadership experience" and two other bits of guff and they'll only consider you if you have 4/5 of those named. And the rebuttal printed on the Cambridge website was something to the effect of "er... like, whatever." She'd just plucked it out the air.

    I really really hate it when people tell you things about Oxbridge that they've picked up in the papers and propagate it as fact, and refuse to be told otherwise. If I was an Oxbridge tutor I'd get quite pissed off with all these lame fictions, really.
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    (Original post by MatthewH)
    If I was an Oxbridge tutor I'd get quite pissed off with all these lame fictions, really.
    Especially considering the amount of work they put into their access schemes to try to dispel these sorts of myths.
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    Oxbridge knows your school's average GCSE performance. The point is, if your school has 30% 5 A*-C GCSEs then AAABBBBCCC is very impressive. If you are at Westminster, A*A*A*A*AAAAAA is below average.

    However, in terms of getting in, by far the most important aspect is interview and any written test Oxford give you (including HAT, LNAT etc).
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    (Original post by MatthewH)
    Is this the book that tries to help people by saying Oxbridge "demand a kitbag that includes sport, music, leadership experience" and two other bits of guff and they'll only consider you if you have 4/5 of those named. And the rebuttal printed on the Cambridge website was something to the effect of "er... like, whatever." She'd just plucked it out the air.

    I really really hate it when people tell you things about Oxbridge that they've picked up in the papers and propagate it as fact, and refuse to be told otherwise. If I was an Oxbridge tutor I'd get quite pissed off with all these lame fictions, really.
    I get pissed off with them as a student, so the tutors must really hate it as they have to deal with it far more! The 'cultural kitbag' thing is a perennial favourite - a lot of schools think it's important and the tutors can never convince them that they don't give a damn whether people are 'well-rounded' and have 'leadership experience.' Oxbridge is not the army! (I heard from my brother when I was applying - he asked his tutor or something - that they only care about extra-curriculars because it shows you can do well academically without working 24/7). Oxbridge does seem to be a topic that invites weird and unfounded speculations. I was amazed at what my friend from home thought it was like when she came to see me - she was convinced that everyone dressed smartly all the time and that people would look down on her for not being at Oxbridge. It was quite worrying to think where she'd got these ideas from.

    Sorry, a little off topic there...re the GCSEs thing, perhaps it makes more difference for heavily oversubscribed subjects like medicine? I think they sometimes use GCSEs as a screening process for interviews if they have loads of applicants, but presumably they also take other factors into consideration; I'd imagine they might overlook them, for instance, if you had something else on your form they thought was interesting enough to merit a closer look (can't think of an exampe offhand though), or if you had a well-explained reason for bad GCSEs and everything else was ok.
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    (QUOTE) - er, since when did the public schools have a right to Oxbridge entry?[/QUOTE]
    Anyone who can convince the tutors they are the 'brightest and the best' have a right to go to oxbridge, including public school!

    It is understandable that people are brassed off about the possibility of positive discrimmination, which has a negative result to them. I can sincerely say that I have gotten an offer from Oxford solely because I was a state school girl applying to a public-schoolish college. I am certainly not more intelligent than any of the other law applicants I met during the applications process.
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    (Original post by allymcb2)
    Anyone who can convince the tutors they are the 'brightest and the best' have a right to go to oxbridge, including public school!
    Well, the problem is, public-schoolers get coached on how to convince tutors they're brightest and best whether or not it's actually the case; and yeah, tutors know to look out for it, but taking coaching into account is never a fool-proof method. On the other hand, if you're intelligent and you/your parents have spent most of your life grooming you for the purpose of arrival in Oxbridge (as is the case with a considerable number of public schoolers), then aren't you likely to be highly motivated, well prepared and generally suitable for Oxbridge admission? Though it would be difficult to tell the truly highly motivated from those brainwashed by 18 years of parental oxbridge propaganda.

    Frankly, with all the factors they have to take into account at the same time, I don't envy Oxbridge admissions tutors the job: how on earth do you decipher how much of someone's achievements is their own and how much is due to school or circumstance?
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    I have the book but can someone please tell me the sections which are true and the sections which are false. It can make a whole lot of difference for me, thanks a lot.
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    (Original post by SS_Imperator)
    I have the book but can someone please tell me the sections which are true and the sections which are false. It can make a whole lot of difference for me, thanks a lot.
    If I were you I'd ignore it all and have a good read of the prospectus instead - look at the website if you feel you need to, and then if you have specific questions, e-mail an admissions tutor. You don't need that book to get into Oxbridge.
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    (Original post by brimstone)
    I was flicking through a book on Oxbridge, and it said that to get into Oxbridge, state school students need a minium of half their GCSEs at A*/A, and then the rest at Bs. It also said that public / private school students needed mostly A*s and As.

    I was wondering, is their any truth in this?
    You already know my story :p:
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    I should really hope not.
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    Wow, what an old bump...
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    You were such a clueless noob
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    They will take account of your educational background. Even so, you will still have to meet a minimum academic standard in their eyes.

    But, guys, let's be totally honest about this; it still isn't a level playing field. I've no hard evidence to back this up but my sense is that Oxford are still beholden to the traditional public schools (note, I don't say private/independent schools) more than Cambridge. You tend to feel if there's not exactly an 'Eton quota', it's not far removed. When an admissions tutor ends the interview by shaking the interviewees hands and saying, “please give my regards to Mr…….”, (i.e. your school master), things are going your way. I’ve also heard of a case in which the interview consisted solely of a discussion of Wagner, a shared interest. Oh, yes, that tutor also knew the applicant’s house master.

    So, it still goes on. In general, Oxford feel they are slipping versus Cambridge. Largely, this reflects Oxford’s much weaker financial position. They are therefore torn between their old traditional loyalties to the public schools and the need to bow to government pressure over state quotas. The unhappy group in the middle, i.e. privately educated, non-public school (could that be PENS?), are the ones to be squeezed. One final observation; Oxford appear far more desperate than Cambridge to take overseas students - again, for financial reasons.
 
 
 
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