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    (Original post by The Colonel)
    1. Maintenance from her dad given to her mum is not inxcluded in the households income, the form clearly states this, also maintenance does not count as employment
    2. Her fathers income is not taken into account unless he lives at the same adress as the child

    Therefore, I think your possibly wasting their time, it may not be the fairest situation but it is legal.
    What happens if she lives part time with the father?

    It seems ridiculous that maintenance at such high levels isn't counted.:mad:
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    (Original post by Anne Auraque)
    What happens if she lives part time with the father?

    It seems ridiculous that maintenance at such high levels isn't counted.:mad:
    It depends what part time means, if its just weekends then no it doesnt count
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    Ok so let me get this straight, students get money from the government for doing nothing? If that's true that's stupid why don't they get a job. I had to when I was a student, these things were only bought in a couple of years ago if I remember correctly therefore I may just have understood the situation wrong.
    Yes I understand that uni students get money for nothing but they pay it back.
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    We don't get money for nothing, we get money for going into further education, and making good progress on our A levels. I know many people think it's unfair, and I agree that a lot of kinks need to be ironed out of the system, but I'm exceptionally greatful for it; I would struggle without it. In any case, this isn't the thread for this discussion, see, "Is EMA fair?"
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    Wasn't it nazi Germany where reporting those 'commiting crimes against the government' came into its own??......

    I know someone who doesn't *need* it, but qualifies, his dad got made redundant, so they have no income. But hes got a brand new car, decent sized house and pays for a private education.......

    Sounds like your 'mate' qualifies too, the money her mother receives off her father is not income....
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    (Original post by Straas)
    Wasn't it nazi Germany where reporting those 'commiting crimes against the government' came into its own??......

    I know someone who doesn't *need* it, but qualifies, his dad got made redundant, so they have no income. But hes got a brand new car, decent sized house and pays for a private education.......

    Sounds like your 'mate' qualifies too, the money her mother receives off her father is not income....
    Benefit fraud is not a crime against the government. It is a crime against every person who is in employment and paying tax and national insurance.
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    EMA SUCKS! How the government can justify who deserves weekly payouts is ridiculous!
    My friend's father earns around £70,000 a year but they basically just get there accounts fiddled so it looks like her mom is the main earner (who is unemployed) so she gets the full £30 a week. It annoys me to the MAX, when ordinary people like myself have hard working parents who spend all their lives paying the majority of their wages into our REBBISH system,and what do we see? **** ALL because we dont fit the apparent 'BOUNDARIES'!
    Sorry guys,just needed to get that off my chest:mad:
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    Just thought Id add i think its a brill idea for those who deserve it and do rely on the extra allowance. At the end of the day it was made for you guys,its just a shame they couldnt have make it a bit fairer and less easy to fiddle!
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    EMA - it will always be a case of where do you draw the boundary. Its a good idea to help those who need it.. but generally speaking the whole government system does nothing for middle class people..

    My dad pays around 50/60k in tax... What do we get back? Nothing.

    Oh well... life isn't fair!
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    If your dad can afford to pay 50/60k in tax you don't NEED anything back. Don't be so greedy.

    Technically, however, you do get something back. Without tax there would be no public services.
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    Not being greedy simply stating that its not exactly fair.

    Some people sit on their backsides, do nothing yet recieve all these benefits from the government which the taxpayer is paying for.

    It doesn't matter if its honest people who honestly can't find a job or who are trying their hardest but struggling. Then I think its absolutely fine to help these people out but when its people commiting benefit fraud etc.. it just seems rather annoying.

    As for public services... we still have to pay crazy amounts for London buses/trains and we havn't as yet had to use the NHS.. oh well.
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    (Original post by xUniquex)
    EMA SUCKS! How the government can justify who deserves weekly payouts is ridiculous!
    My friend's father earns around £70,000 a year but they basically just get there accounts fiddled so it looks like her mom is the main earner (who is unemployed) so she gets the full £30 a week. It annoys me to the MAX, when ordinary people like myself have hard working parents who spend all their lives paying the majority of their wages into our REBBISH system,and what do we see? **** ALL because we dont fit the apparent 'BOUNDARIES'!
    Sorry guys,just needed to get that off my chest:mad:
    In that case report them as that is benefit fraud
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    (Original post by Ethereal)
    If your dad can afford to pay 50/60k in tax you don't NEED anything back. Don't be so greedy.
    You've made the assumption that the father supports the child to the same tune that they would recieve with EMA.

    £30? What can you spend that on in a week? Stationary? LOL. I appreciate transport costs and so on, but it is excessive. It isn't means tested, which means friends who live across the road from the school still get £30 a week + bonuses for, erm, stationary.
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    (Original post by Anne Auraque)
    You've made the assumption that the father supports the child to the same tune that they would recieve with EMA.

    £30? What can you spend that on in a week? Stationary? LOL. I appreciate transport costs and so on, but it is excessive. It isn't means tested, which means friends who live across the road from the school still get £30 a week + bonuses for, erm, stationary.

    No, I was answering a point above which said "EMA - it will always be a case of where do you draw the boundary. Its a good idea to help those who need it.. but generally speaking the whole government system does nothing for middle class people..

    My dad pays around 50/60k in tax... What do we get back? Nothing"

    I am in no way suggesting her dad supports her or otherwise. My point is that if someone has a family income that is high enough to pay tax which exceeds a lot of people's income ie her dad pays out more tax than a lot of people earn, they are hardly short of a bob or two.

    The tax system is set up to try and give the poorer people the help they need. Yes, some people abuse that and they deserve to be prosecuted, but that still doesn't give someone from a clearly affluent household the right to complain they get nothing from the tax they pay.
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    (Original post by Anne Auraque)
    You've made the assumption that the father supports the child to the same tune that they would recieve with EMA.

    £30? What can you spend that on in a week? Stationary? LOL. I appreciate transport costs and so on, but it is excessive. It isn't means tested, which means friends who live across the road from the school still get £30 a week + bonuses for, erm, stationary.
    I get £20/week.
    Transport: £1 bus fare back from school x 5 days = £5
    Food @ break time: £0.55 x 5 days = £2.75
    Lunch (sandwhich and fruit): £2 x 5 days = £10

    That's a weekly cost of £17.75,leaving me with £2.25.

    Other occasional costs include: A4 lined pad every few weeks, clear plastic wallets, pens, school trips, school socials (not technically essential I know, but important), in case of missing the bus there's train fare of £1.60, ring binders, photocopying etc.

    Text books:
    Chemistry (essential): £25
    Physics (essential): £33.30
    Psychology (essential): £14.99
    Psychology (non essential but exceptioanlly useful): 2 x £20
    Biology (essential): £15
    Biology (practicaly essential): £22.99

    We're also expected to get another text for chemistry, plus any useful revision guides. Text total so far: Roughly £151.30.

    Plus clothes/shoes/bags etc.

    If I'm honest, my mum probably could afford to pay the majority of the essential items without EMA support, but we'd struggle to make ends meet.

    In any sort of benefit scheme, there will always be those who will try and take advantage, and there will always be kinks in the scheme, and there will always be those who deserve it but aren't elligible and so on, but you have to think about all the good it's doing and weigh it up.
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    Yup thats about the same I have to pay overall, but no magic EMA for me.

    I can't blame you, but to be honest you should be paying it, not getting your parents to fork out for stuff you need for YOUR future.

    I work 10 hours a week, for £40 which is about average wage.

    My buddy gets £30 a week for doing nothing, and he isn't what you would describe as particually poor. He doesn't work, because he gets the taxpayers money.

    EMA is an incentive not to work (and almost everyone I know getting it doesn't have a job), and to become a lazy benifits scrouger.

    Who said this redistributive government isn't socialist!
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    (Original post by Anne Auraque)
    You've made the assumption that the father supports the child to the same tune that they would recieve with EMA.

    £30? What can you spend that on in a week? Stationary? LOL. I appreciate transport costs and so on, but it is excessive. It isn't means tested, which means friends who live across the road from the school still get £30 a week + bonuses for, erm, stationary.
    my mums on minimum wage and i dont live with my dad, before i got ema i had the work 4 days after college to support myself, so ema helps. hows it excessive? you're an idiot
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    (Original post by guccilittlepiggy)
    my mums on minimum wage and i dont live with my dad, before i got ema i had the work 4 days after college to support myself, so ema helps. hows it excessive? you're an idiot
    I work 5 days after college to support myself, because I don't get handouts.

    So when you got EMA, you stopped working as much?

    It's such an incentive to become lazy.
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    it annoys me becasue i have to work and give up my time to earn the money, im only just out, by about 3 grand, that means that i cant spend that time going out or studying, cus iwork saturday, so it basically means my weekend is gone

    i know one lad in my year, they are millionaires, but his mum n dad are both retired, he gets 30
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    yeh this annoys me as well. I no sum1 hu gets EMA and spends it all on driving lessons so she doesn't have 2 spend a single penny on paying for driving lessons!! :mad: Whereas i will have 2 get a job 2 pay for mine.
 
 
 
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