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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Is Iran a bigger threat just because it has a different culture?
    Well aren't the relative stability of Europe's current inter-relations and relations with the US because of realisations of shared values that many other countries don't share?
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    Whether they would or not does not matter Lawz, since we cannot force other countries to adapt.
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    (Original post by The Basilisk)
    Whether they would or not does not matter Lawz, since we cannot force other countries to adapt.
    Thats not really the point.
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    Well there's no point in discussing this, because it's not gonna happen.
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    (Original post by The Basilisk)
    Well there's no point in discussing this, because it's not gonna happen.
    That does not follow.
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    (Original post by The Basilisk)
    Well there's no point in discussing this, because it's not gonna happen.
    wow.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Because clearly Western countries haven't gone to war against each other over the last millennium.
    Have two liberal democracies ever gone to war with each other?
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    (Original post by Sophistress)
    Have two liberal democracies ever gone to war with each other?
    Has there ever truely been two liberal democracies?

    There are many who would argue there never has been a true liberal democracy, so I guess it depends on a persons defenition.
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    Sorry Laws, if I dissed your thread, but the very notion of a secular world or one which has the same values worldwide makes me sick.
    Therefore it probably is worth discussion but I just don't want to face it.
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    (Original post by The Basilisk)
    Sorry Laws, if I dissed your thread, but the very notion of a secular world or one which has the same values worldwide makes me sick.
    Why?
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    (Original post by The Basilisk)
    Sorry Laws, if I dissed your thread, but the very notion of a secular world or one which has the same values worldwide makes me sick.
    Therefore it probably is worth discussion but I just don't want to face it.
    Its a theoretical discussion

    Plus the west is only secular in the sense that it doesnt (generally) try to impose its religious beliefs on others.

    You would still be free to practice Islam if you wish, just not make others do so.
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    (Original post by naivesincerity)
    Well aren't the relative stability of Europe's current inter-relations and relations with the US because of realisations of shared values that many other countries don't share?
    No, they're stable because they had a common enemy for nearly half a century, and the bonds of friendship are already eroding, and they would be eroding much quicker if the Europeans had any military strength to speak of or opposed vital US interests.
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    (Original post by Sophistress)
    Have two liberal democracies ever gone to war with each other?
    For what portion of human history have there been enough liberal democracies to test that claim?

    And if you want some examples, there's always Finland vs. Britain and the US during WWII, and the Union vs. the Confederacy in the American Civil War. There were also numerous instances where two liberal democracies were on the verge of war but one backed out solely due to its military weakness (Fashoda Crisis, the Venezuelan Crisis, the French occupation of the Ruhr in the inter-War period, etc.).

    Some prominent scholars are suggesting (with some empirical backing) that democracy doesn't lead to a lack of wars, but rarther that a lack of wars allow the creation of conditions that foster democracy.
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    It'd be a much better place. Civilisation needs spreading.
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    (Original post by JonathanH)
    It'd be a much better place. Civilisation needs spreading.
    :ditto:
 
 
 
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