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    (Original post by py0alb)
    Its definitely immoral to waste food.
    Do you blame Western waste for African poverty?
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    (Original post by canyouhelpme)
    there is not a 100x surplus of food to feed the world, that is lies. There simply isn't enough to go around yet us westerners ignore the cries of the hungry and stuff ourselves
    Haha, you're either a troll or just plain stupid.
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    (Original post by superafc100)
    I don't think its entirley fair to state that there is ample food in say... Africa. The country lies in an unfortunate geographical location in terms of its ability to produce food. Droughts are common, pests such as locust cause frquent food shortages and the climate is certainly not conducive to agriculture.

    If not a question of morality then certainly one of empathy and ethics. Perhaps we could all stand to gain by allowing the missfortunes of others to affect our own lives. e.i. On principal not eating such vast quantities because of the famine elswhere.
    I didn't say there was ample food in Africa, I said there is ample food in the World. Which brings us back to the earlier point; the problem is not lack of food in the world, but lack of access to food (or farming equipment I suppose) in various places. In any case, famine is a political issue, much more so than it is an agricultural one. Or is it a coincidence that the countries that have been hit by famine in recent years, are ones wrought in political turmoil and civil war?
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    I wouldn't say it's immoral, but certainly it's amoral. Being fat isn't really the moral issue - the problem you touch on is the participation in a system which excludes these people that need help. We could all vote to marginally lower our quality of life in order to vastly improve the quality of life of groups of people who are in need, but for most people, this decision would be out of the question. It seems ludicrous to me to have enough money to really make a difference to the lives of people who are suffering and not doing it - but we live in a society with a mentality that we deserve what we've earnt.
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Do you blame Western waste for African poverty?
    Western trade agreements are probably the root cause. It's almost impossible for Africa to compete in the market place due to treaties like the EU CAP.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    It is immoral, just as how vegetarians who choose not to eat meat for ethical reasons are immoral...and that is not mentioning the poor moral choices it takes to become fat eg. lack of self control etc.
    U wot m8? How on earth is that immoral?
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    (Original post by Keckers)
    Western trade agreements are probably the root cause. It's almost impossible for Africa to compete in the market place due to treaties like the EU CAP.
    Come off it Keckers, I blame the EU for a lot of things but I struggle to see how it's responsible for African impoverishment. The U.S manages ok and she's located outside the EU... If there's domestic demand producers have all the incentive they need to begin growing, what happens elsewhere has little bearing on the supply/demand dynamic. As a poster above me mentioned it's most likely to do with internal politics and regimes that aren't conducive to trade. If the EU disbanded tomorrow 3rd world poverty would still be rife.
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    You don't think of obesity as being a problem vis-a-vis starvation in, e.g., Africa in terms of food. Think of it in terms of money.

    Anyone who buys, let's say, a £250,000 Ferrari, could, with the same amount of money, feed hundreds of children a year. Let's call him the Ferrari guy.

    There's another guy, the fat guy, who gets, let's say, 1000kcal of excess food per day. That would be something like 2 double cheeseburgers and a small fries from McDonald's per day. I don't know exactly how that would cost but let's say it costs £4. £4x365=£1460 per year. Not exactly keeping anyone alive. Not even a small child.

    Now, using your own arguments, who's more immoral?

    And this only a very small example. Imagine how many things we buy that we don't really need. It doesn't have to be about food.
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    (Original post by Jimbo1234)
    It is immoral, just as how vegetarians who choose not to eat meat for ethical reasons are immoral...and that is not mentioning the poor moral choices it takes to become fat eg. lack of self control etc.
    Do you realise that if we were all vegetarian that there would be a lot of food left over because we wouldn't be feeding a substantial amount of food we grow to the animals being bred for meat, which results in a loss of energy (as it always does when we go up the food chain) or using land that could grow crops for rearing animals on?
    It wouldn't solve the current problem, because the main problem is lack of access to food rather than lack of food, but if there was a lack of food then vegetarianism would be the moral choice and eating meat would be the immoral one.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    Do you realise that if we were all vegetarian that there would be a lot of food left over because we wouldn't be feeding a substantial amount of food we grow to the animals being bred for meat, which results in a loss of energy (as it always does when we go up the food chain) or using land that could grow crops for rearing animals on?
    It wouldn't solve the current problem, because the main problem is lack of access to food rather than lack of food, but if there was a lack of food then vegetarianism would be the moral choice and eating meat would be the immoral one.
    one cannot survive on chips alone. It isn't healthy.
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    (Original post by canyouhelpme)
    one cannot survive on chips alone. It isn't healthy.
    Yeah, potatoes are the only things vegetarians eat...

    Funny how I'm perfectly healthy after 9 years.
    Also, the Williams sisters and Bob Harper (trainer from The Biggest Loser) would like a word with you.
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    (Original post by Manouil)
    You don't think of obesity as being a problem vis-a-vis starvation in, e.g., Africa in terms of food. Think of it in terms of money.

    Anyone who buys, let's say, a £250,000 Ferrari, could, with the same amount of money, feed hundreds of children a year. Let's call him the Ferrari guy.

    There's another guy, the fat guy, who gets, let's say, 1000kcal of excess food per day. That would be something like 2 double cheeseburgers and a small fries from McDonald's per day. I don't know exactly how that would cost but let's say it costs £4. £4x365=£1460 per year. Not exactly keeping anyone alive. Not even a small child.

    Now, using your own arguments, who's more immoral?

    And this only a very small example. Imagine how many things we buy that we don't really need. It doesn't have to be about food.
    it's not a question of money it's a question of food. Why should one eat more when there are starving people?
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    Non-fat people: Yes, it's immoral
    Fat people: No, it's not immoral
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    Yeah, potatoes are the only things vegetarians eat...

    Funny how I'm perfectly healthy after 9 years.
    Also, the Williams sisters and Bob Harper (trainer from The Biggest Loser) would like a word with you.

    where do you get your vitamin B from? We can't just eat plants.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    Do you realise that if we were all vegetarian that there would be a lot of food left over because we wouldn't be feeding a substantial amount of food we grow to the animals being bred for meat, which results in a loss of energy (as it always does when we go up the food chain) or using land that could grow crops for rearing animals on?
    It wouldn't solve the current problem, because the main problem is lack of access to food rather than lack of food, but if there was a lack of food then vegetarianism would be the moral choice and eating meat would be the immoral one.
    More nonsense from the liberal-left

    According to the National Diet and Nutrition Survey just 5% of the population or 3 million people classify themselves as vegetarian, so this means the other 95% must eat meat. Are we suffering horrendous food shortages due to prevalence of these selfish carnivors? Nope. In fact we grow so much food that we're able to waste mountains of it without consequence and we enjoy an 'obesity epidemic' to boot!

    Western meat eating is responsible for 3rd world hunger......I think I've heard it all now.
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    (Original post by TooEasy123)
    Non-fat people: Yes, it's immoral
    Fat people: No, it's not immoral
    this sums it up!
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    (Original post by canyouhelpme)
    where do you get your vitamin B from? We can't just eat plants.
    B6: green vegetables, eggs, some breakfast cereals and grains
    B12: milk, cheese, eggs, some breakfast cereals
    B3: eggs, wheat flower
    Pantothenic acid: broccoli, tomatoes, potatoes, wholegrains
    B2: rice, mushrooms, milk
    B1: peas, wholegrain breads, some breakfast cereals
    Folic acid: broccoli, sprouts, peas, asparagus, chickpeas
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    More nonsense from the liberal-left

    According to the National Diet and Nutrition Survey just 5% of the population or 3 million people classify themselves as vegetarian, so this means the other 95% must eat meat. Are we suffering horrendous food shortages due to prevalence of these selfish carnivors? Nope. In fact we grow so much food that we're able to waste mountains of it without consequence and we enjoy an 'obesity epidemic' to boot!

    Western meat eating is responsible for 3rd world hunger......I think I've heard it all now.
    Did you read in the second paragraph where I said it wouldn't solve the current problem?
    I was simply arguing that it isn't immoral to not eat meat, which is what the poster I quoted said.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    B6: green vegetables, eggs, some breakfast cereals and grains
    B12: milk, cheese, eggs, some breakfast cereals
    B3: eggs, wheat flower
    Pantothenic acid: broccoli, tomatoes, potatoes, wholegrains
    B2: rice, mushrooms, milk
    B1: peas, wholegrain breads, some breakfast cereals
    Folic acid: broccoli, sprouts, peas, asparagus, chickpeas
    but then you need animals for the milk, eggs and cheese.
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    (Original post by canyouhelpme)
    but then you need animals for the milk, eggs and cheese.
    Yeah, but dairy animals are not the same animals as meat animals.

    (Original post by chefdave)
    If God didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat.
    Aww bless. I don't believe in God.
 
 
 
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