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If he wants it limited to parties likely to form government, the Lib Dems have no legitimacy being involved in the next TV debates.
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Nowhere near as many as nobody.

Also in response to the OP, I'm pretty sure the PM has more important things to do.
We'll see.
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(Original post by Harry Callahan)
We'll see.
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The trouble with UKIP is that they will lie and stretch the truth at any given opportunity. If you are Nigel Farage and you run around saying things like: 'Over 70% of our laws come from Europe!' or 'Eastern Europeans are causing housing shortages!' or 'the EU means immigrants come here and take all our benefits' then you are bound to get support. The trouble is, it is all nonsense. UKIP relies on the support of the misinformed or the ignorant.

As such, it would be quite hard to debate with them since the idea of a reasoned debate based on facts would go out of the window.

And anyway - dirty tricks aside, they just simply don't deserve to be in the debates. They are not the third party.
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All parties, however extreme, should be given the same chances as the major parties to gain support. We can't just veto the ones we don't like, if they come across as unelectable in the tv debate that's their problem.
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All parties are populist. Farage is the brightest figure in British politics, and UKIP will get an awful lot of votes next election.
I doubt it.
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If he wants it limited to parties likely to form government, the Lib Dems have no legitimacy being involved in the next TV debates.
While I agree, even on their current poll ratings the Lib Dems will manage 10-20 seats, enough to be considered a political player in a hung parliament. UKIP on the other hand, on their current poll ratings will be lucky to get 1 or 2 seats, meaning that even on a good day they'll probably be ignored in a hung parliament.
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I doubt it.
We'll see.
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We'll see.
People vote for the candidate they can trust.
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People vote for the candidate they can trust.
And Labour are trustworthy after the last debacle? We can trust them to **** up the country even more, yes.
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And Labour are trustworthy after the last debacle? We can trust them to **** up the country even more, yes.
Maybe you should have read my original post. :dunce:
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(Original post by InnerTemple)
The trouble with UKIP is that they will lie and stretch the truth at any given opportunity. If you are Nigel Farage and you run around saying things like: 'Over 70% of our laws come from Europe!' or 'Eastern Europeans are causing housing shortages!' or 'the EU means immigrants come here and take all our benefits' then you are bound to get support. The trouble is, it is all nonsense. UKIP relies on the support of the misinformed or the ignorant.

As such, it would be quite hard to debate with them since the idea of a reasoned debate based on facts would go out of the window.

And anyway - dirty tricks aside, they just simply don't deserve to be in the debates. They are not the third party.
I don't see the harm in giving them the chance! they are after all the only party worth their words on providing a referendum on the eu to the british public therefore what they have to say is prominent on this topic. All the other parties are pro eu therefore what would be the opposing argument within this debate? If Cameron really had the balls he would welcome a debate with the "odd people" of UKIP instead of running in the opposite direction- maybe into the arms of obama? as apperantly he also has some words of wisdom on our relationship with the eu. And for you saying they provide misinformed information.. surely even if that were true they sure as hell aren't the worst culprits- Lastly if UKIP isn't the third party, which they are! who in your opinion is? the lib-dems maybe?
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Well done everyone petition is just about to hit 5,000

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Why should the Lib Dems even feature in the next TV debates? They aren't the third party anymore, UKIP are as reflected by the opinion polls. I realise they are in government but the debates should be reflective of the current time, and at the moment the lib dems are nowhere near.
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Why should the Lib Dems even feature in the next TV debates? They aren't the third party anymore, UKIP are as reflected by the opinion polls. I realise they are in government but the debates should be reflective of the current time, and at the moment the lib dems are nowhere near.
Firstly we have FPTP so it is seats which matter the most, secondly none of the last 4 polls have showed Ukip higher than the Liberal Democrats and in the only national thing we have to go on.. the local elections, the Lib Dems came quite a clear third.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
Firstly we have FPTP so it is seats which matter the most, secondly none of the last 4 polls have showed Ukip higher than the Liberal Democrats and in the only national thing we have to go on.. the local elections, the Lib Dems came quite a clear third.
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2012/...new-poll-highs

Sorry. Where have you been the past few months?

EDIT: I realise the story is from 2012 but my point still stands. Next election, Lib Dems will be fourth.
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Good.

As a Tory who does not like Ukip's stance on several issues he has done the correct thing for the party.
So basically you realise Dave would get owned.
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It would be a joke for him to be involved. If UKIP win more than 10 seats then maybe let them debate next election. As it stands, they have no seats and the joke of a party called the Greens is a bigger party than UKIP.

It would also be embarrassing to hear him answer every question in the same way.

"What do you think our energy policy should be?"
"Well, the problem with Europe..."

"How can we fix the economy?"
"Well, the problem with Europe..."

"What should we do with education?"
"Well, the problem with Europe..."

"What is your stance on gay marriage?"
"Well, the problem with Europe..."
I think not, I will direct you to the UKIP page. All is explained there if you look. http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies
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http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

You are referring to the Comres poll last month which put them on 14% however the latest Comres poll now has them at 10%. It's the first point in the link above.

(Original post by uktotalgamer)
http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2012/...new-poll-highs

Sorry. Where have you been the past few months?

EDIT: I realise the story is from 2012 but my point still stands. Next election, Lib Dems will be fourth.
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