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We can't leave the EU, we need them bananas and cucumbers in prime shape and condition with a length of 14 cm and a thickness (grade) of 2.7 cm otherwise the world is doomed.

EU tries to ban pornography. Fines for breaching EU carbon emission rules. EU attempts to force the voting day to Sunday instead of Thursday.

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I would suggest the opposite, TSR seems to draw a lot more of the "private school types" (to make a massive generalisation) from wealthier families with more right-wing outlooks.
Ok mate- if you say so....

Which TSR site have you been visiting??
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(Original post by Ruffiio)
We can't leave the EU, we need them bananas and cucumbers in prime shape and condition with a length of 14 cm and a thickness (grade) of 2.7 cm otherwise the world is doomed.

EU tries to ban pornography. Fines for breaching EU carbon emission rules. EU attempts to force the voting day to Sunday instead of Thursday.

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(Original post by nickbob00)
I would suggest the opposite, TSR seems to draw a lot more of the "private school types" (to make a massive generalisation) from wealthier families with more right-wing outlooks.
Wish that was true, we might do a bit better in the TSR elections if it was...
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(Original post by Ruffiio)
We can't leave the EU, we need them bananas and cucumbers in prime shape and condition with a length of 14 cm and a thickness (grade) of 2.7 cm otherwise the world is doomed.

EU tries to ban pornography. Fines for breaching EU carbon emission rules. EU attempts to force the voting day to Sunday instead of Thursday.

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Protects 'rare' Great crested newts causing huge delays in construction projects with massive fines for harm to the newts, despite them being fairly common in the UK.
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Can I just say that the poll is 2 months old and in that time views may shifted.

There a problems with quantitative data, how representative etc
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I think we've lost a generation due to the left wing education system from the mid 1990's. Michael gove isn't doing enough to reverse that.
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I'd like to find out if this is true and have the referendum. Everyone would learn a lot more about what the EU does (or doesn't do). A lot of things are blamed on the EU I think when national governments or other institutions are responsible.
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What about trade boundaries? It would cost more to import cars from Germany etc and what about if we wanted to move to France to learn the language? I've always fancied leaving in Europe for a few years to get away from the majority of British scum :-)

What about all our old people moving to Spain? Eastern Europeans fill a gap in the job market. How many people on here work in countryside picking vegetables all year round for minimum wage? The answer would be very few if any. We've got a culture of a workshy generation with little values. I've grown up having Polish bestfriends (I live in Peterborough) Where their parents work in the warehouses/fields and they have part-time jobs working throughout the night in offices/carehomes. They have strong family values which we could take notes from. Personally, we should be ashamed that employers prefer to employ foreigners as they stick at jobs and work well.

/Rant over.

I am 7/8 English and 1/8 chilean before people start thinking that i'm foreign myself.
You could move abroad before the EU was around, and you'll be able to do it again. What a ridiculous assertion.

Eastern Europeans don't fill a gap in the job market. What they do do is work every hour god sends as they're willing to live in ****e conditions on ****e estates as they've still got better living standards than they would have back home.

You claim that Poles do jobs that Brits don't want to do. I ask you, who picked the cabbages and the cauliflowers before the eastern Europeans came? Did we have veg rotting in the fields?

Employers prefer to employ foreigners because they can get away with paying them less than minimum wage and they won't complain as they're still earning more than they would get in Poland. It's nothing to do with them being good workers.
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I'd like to find out if this is true and have the referendum. Everyone would learn a lot more about what the EU does (or doesn't do). A lot of things are blamed on the EU I think when national governments or other institutions are responsible.
How can there be a proper debate when the press will take over that debate and play all sorts?
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How can there be a proper debate when the press will take over that debate and play all sorts?
I understand your concern given the nature of our largely foreign owned press and other media, though feel a bit more hopeful. Academic though as there won't be a referendum pre 2015 or possibly even afterwards.

If the 1975 referendum is a guide, there would be a separate no and yes campaign and features such as political broadcasts. The Daily Mail and the Sun existed back then and the majority of the then two major political parties were in favour of staying in, so not much has changed then.

It would be a better debate than we get over many issues, and probably even better than the level to which I think the Scottish referendum may descend to before September 2014.
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(Original post by Ruffiio)
We can't leave the EU, we need them bananas and cucumbers in prime shape and condition with a length of 14 cm and a thickness (grade) of 2.7 cm otherwise the world is doomed.

EU tries to ban pornography. Fines for breaching EU carbon emission rules. EU attempts to force the voting day to Sunday instead of Thursday.

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I hope your being sarcastic!
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The EU is a good idea in principal and has done a lot to help keep peace and allow Europe to prosper. But, I think it's went too far. It really should be a platform for countries to meet a few times a year and make mutually beneficial agreements, mainly in the area of economic trade. We don't need a Parliament, various regulations and a unified currency as part of some pointless attempt to unite a group of nations that have very different identities.

The principles underlying European Integration are great, but in reality they don't work. Government is best done close to the people. The benefits of integration are best done on a smaller scale. I'd certainly be in favour of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland combining to form an EU style Union, but I can't be dealing with UK being in a Union with countries as foreign as Romania.
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lol its amusing that your view of the world is, "i dont agree with this therefore it must be wrong in some way"

anyone with an iota of sense knows we are better off in the eu than out of it
Would you mind explaining how?

After all, even if we're out we'll still be able to trade with them.
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The EU is a good idea in principal and has done a lot to help keep peace and allow Europe to prosper. But, I think it's went too far. It really should be a platform for countries to meet a few times a year and make mutually beneficial agreements, mainly in the area of economic trade. We don't need a Parliament, various regulations and a unified currency as part of some pointless attempt to unite a group of nations that have very different identities.

The principles underlying European Integration are great, but in reality they don't work. Government is best done close to the people. The benefits of integration are best done on a smaller scale. I'd certainly be in favour of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland combining to form an EU style Union, but I can't be dealing with UK being in a Union with countries as foreign as Romania.

This comment really annoys me. The EU has done nothing to keep the peace in Europe. There were several things that kept the peace in Europe.

1) The complete annihalation of Germany at the end of WW2. Unlike WW1, the Germans knew they'd lost.
2) Lets not forget NATO and the cold war. That was probably the biggest peace keeper in Europe.
3) We've had peace for 70 years (We'll leave out the Balkans) We've had 7o years of peace numerous times in Europe before the EU.
4) The worlds moved on from fighting now due to the interconnected nature of the global economy.

Although I fully agree with the rest of you're post. NAFTA, ASEAN, MERCOSUR etc some how manage to do trading bloacks without the desire to go for a Federal super state.
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(Original post by barnetlad)
I understand your concern given the nature of our largely foreign owned press and other media, though feel a bit more hopeful. Academic though as there won't be a referendum pre 2015 or possibly even afterwards.

If the 1975 referendum is a guide, there would be a separate no and yes campaign and features such as political broadcasts. The Daily Mail and the Sun existed back then and the majority of the then two major political parties were in favour of staying in, so not much has changed then.

It would be a better debate than we get over many issues, and probably even better than the level to which I think the Scottish referendum may descend to before September 2014.

I'd agree with the debate concern. The SNP just make wild claims and then claim scaremongering when they're questioned.

I'd like a debate like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1H4QLdJrcM
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(Original post by Annuhlees)

I am 7/8 English and 1/8 chilean before people start thinking that i'm foreign myself.

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(Original post by MatureStudent36)
Would you mind explaining how?

After all, even if we're out we'll still be able to trade with them.

We lose out on trade actually, and I think the main reason we'll never leave the EU is simple tourism. Imagine all the people who voted to leave being told they now had to fill in a form every time they travelled to Spain, and see how quickly they change their minds just to avoid filling that in
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This comment really annoys me. The EU has done nothing to keep the peace in Europe. There were several things that kept the peace in Europe.

1) The complete annihalation of Germany at the end of WW2. Unlike WW1, the Germans knew they'd lost.
2) Lets not forget NATO and the cold war. That was probably the biggest peace keeper in Europe.
3) We've had peace for 70 years (We'll leave out the Balkans) We've had 7o years of peace numerous times in Europe before the EU.
4) The worlds moved on from fighting now due to the interconnected nature of the global economy.

Although I fully agree with the rest of you're post. NAFTA, ASEAN, MERCOSUR etc some how manage to do trading bloacks without the desire to go for a Federal super state.

There were loads of wars in Europe throughout 1700-1945. A series of utterly pointless wars between France and Germany, I think there was 3 between 1870 and 1945. WW1 was an horrific war and yet within 20 years, Europe was at war again. The fact that there has been so little conflict in Europe over the last 70 years is a great success and you're right there was many factors in this. The EU and its predeccessors played its part though, the size of their contribution is open to debate!
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I really don't see what good a referendum would do. We should stay in the EU so long as it's a rational decision to do so. Referendum votes on this issue will never be rational. Nor should popular opinion influence something like this, the decision needs to be based on facts, not opinions.

(Original post by Ruffiio)
We can't leave the EU, we need them bananas and cucumbers in prime shape and condition with a length of 14 cm and a thickness (grade) of 2.7 cm otherwise the world is doomed.

EU tries to ban pornography. Fines for breaching EU carbon emission rules. EU attempts to force the voting day to Sunday instead of Thursday.

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If the EU policy of free movement of people did not apply to the UK I suspect the percentage of people in favour of UK continued membership of the EU would increase a great deal. Any other gripe about the EU seems incidental.
What? Have you been spending too much time on the internet or something.

Incidental. Yeah it's just a minor hap when a complete unknown can be un-democratically elected President of 500 million people, who have no options to remove him, and decide what laws we have, when we have general elections and all that... not a biggy.
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