B524 - Labour Reform Bill 2013 (Second Reading) Watch

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I've just noticed your sig saying that you go to Stirling... we should totally have an MHoC meet :awesome:



What do you mean "these people"? Could you sound anymore snobbish? These people are you, these people are me, these people are the vast majority of people!
Unions. Maybe so. No, only about 20% of the labour force partakes in union membership (granted it used to be much higher).

As i said in another post, i'm all for them recommending ideas to government like any other group and collective bargaining is not a bad thing however allowing people to strike without reproach means that vile beings like Scargill and Crow can rape the taxpayer and cause big problems.
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Given that current union laws seem adequate, and considering the fact that union membership is falling, I'm not sure there's any massive need to introduce this or much public support in favour of this legislation.
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1. (2) limits the amount of temporary workers a firm is able to employ; hiring temps has become far more widespread in the UK in recent years. It's a sort of loophole that allows businesses to operate with a fragmented workforce, offering jobs with substandard conditions and fewer rights.
Thanks for that, that makes sense

Not sure if I agree with lifting all restrictions on trade unions though? I agree with the principle entirely but if you're going to have a union then it should conform to certain standards and rules, just as unions request for their workers.
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Unions. Maybe so. No, only about 20% of the labour force partakes in union membership (granted it used to be much higher).

As i said in another post, i'm all for them recommending ideas to government like any other group and collective bargaining is not a bad thing however allowing people to strike without reproach means that vile beings like Scargill and Crow can rape the taxpayer and cause big problems.
There are thousands of words in the English language and yet you felt 'rape' appropriate there? Using the word so frivolously somewhat trivialises the very serious meaning behind it, let alone being quite insensitive to the victims.

And have you ever thought to ask why union membership's declining? It doesn't take a Vulcan to work out the trend began with the introduction of Thatcher's viciously anti-worker labour laws - statutory regulation that made it practically impossible for unions to effectively organise in the private sector (leading to the real-terms decline, since the 1980s, of income for those in low-paid work).

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Given that current union laws seem adequate, and considering the fact that union membership is falling, I'm not sure there's any massive need to introduce this or much public support in favour of this legislation.
As above. And I remember you wanting to ban trade unions at some point last term; is that the official TSR Lib Dem line now that you're leader?

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Oh christ, if this Bill passes the nwere back to the 1970s where the Unions will hold the country to ransom
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Oh christ, if this Bill passes the nwere back to the 1970s where the Unions will hold the country to ransom
Just think of the cost of travelling by train after this Morgsie.
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Just think of the cost of travelling by train after this Morgsie.
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It will ground the network to a halt by giving that man loads of power.
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There are thousands of words in the English language and yet you felt 'rape' appropriate there? Using the word so frivolously somewhat trivialises the very serious meaning behind it, let alone being quite insensitive to the victims.

And have you ever thought to ask why union membership's declining? It doesn't take a Vulcan to work out the trend began with the introduction of Thatcher's viciously anti-worker labour laws - statutory regulation that made it practically impossible for unions to effectively organise in the private sector (leading to the real-terms decline, since the 1980s, of income for those in low-paid work).

As above. And I remember you wanting to ban trade unions at some point last term; is that the official TSR Lib Dem line now that you're leader?

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As a metaphor it is entirely appropriate given that the public sector is much more heavily unionized.

Good. Now lets move on from the past, this won't enable a trade surplus or any other thing we lost in the 1980's so lets move on.

If you are referring to his support of my bill that did not seek to destroy unions, it simply restricted membership, donations to the Labour Party via unions and stopped striking.
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It will ground the network to a halt by giving that man loads of power.
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What about if they put this man in charge
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What about if they put this man in charge
What role though because The Railways are completely different than the ones on Sodor? I was thinking a Manager like Sir Richard Branson.

I was referring to Bob Crow
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What role though because The Railways are completely different than the ones on Sodor? I was thinking a Manager like Sir Richard Branson.

I was referring to Bob Crow
But if he can manage to run a railway for god knows how long surely he could manage a railway on the mainland
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
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What about if they put this man in charge
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This is in cessation.
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This has gone to a Third Reading.
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