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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    I'm stuck between Green, Liberals and Libertarians. Ugh.
    I'm thinking of starting a new party! It might not be to your tastes but promise me you'll at least take a look!
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    I'm stuck between Green, Liberals and Libertarians. Ugh.
    To make a pitch for the libertarians, we are the oldest of your three parties (at least in that the Liberals have only existed under their current name and sudden libertarian tendencies for about a week).

    What do you see as your key policy areas that you'd like to see addressed?
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    (Original post by Jacob :))
    Which party should I vote for? Or join? Can anyone convince me?

    I'm very new to the Commons so have practically no prior knowledge of the parties.

    My political views are mixed so I'm unsure who to vote for.

    Not the Socialist though. Sorry. I just hate communists so much...
    Monster Raving Loony Party.. I don't need to sell this party! They're awesome and vote-worthy!
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    (Original post by Jacob :))
    I'm thinking of starting a new party! It might not be to your tastes but promise me you'll at least take a look!
    Of course I'll take a look
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    So really, it boils down to how much influence you think the government should have on individual freedom. My own party, the Libertarians, stand for minimum state interference, arguing that the state should only interefere to defend the rights of the individual, which has led to our past sex and drugs bills, which legalised regulated brothels and recreational drugs respectively, and this same principle which has led to the bill of rights we intend to introduce to the house next term (hopefully, we'll get enough support to send this to a TSR wide referendum), which will seek to enshrine certain basic human rights in the house's constitution, to prevent things like the Lab/Soc thefts of private property.
    Don't forget to tell him that you guys view taxation as "theft", child labour as an example of "economic liberty", and that you think the NHS is some sort of assault on "personal freedom" and that you'd rather it were scrapped :bigsmile:

    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    You just don't think that people should have the right to own property without fear of their government robbing them.
    I think that any "communist" who also believes in "government" is living in an oxymoron. Learn some basic politics please. Derp derp.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    But we love you all the same

    Also, we're not "communists" in the corrupted USSR/North Korean sense of the term.
    Sadly I hate communism down to its purist form.

    People should be paid what they earn. Not have it given to others.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    To make a pitch for the libertarians, we are the oldest of your three parties (at least in that the Liberals have only existed under their current name and sudden libertarian tendencies for about a week).

    What do you see as your key policy areas that you'd like to see addressed?
    Good to know!

    Hmm. Well...

    No curtailing of civil liberties (Opposition of the Big Brother State).
    Increased chances of housing for more of society.
    Huge environmental reforms.
    Do SOMETHING about unemployment.
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    It's so hard! :eek:
    As a last resort, you can always hold dual membership of two parties if they both agree to it. There's no problem you joining the Liberals as well as the Libertarians, if they are OK with it also.
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    Is it ok to make a thread advertising to TSR users to be founders of a new party? Or is there something I have to do first?
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    (Original post by Birchington)
    As a last resort, you can always hold dual membership of two parties if they both agree to it. There's no problem you joining the Liberals as well as the Libertarians, if they are OK with it also.
    Hey, that's good to know Thanks!
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    (Original post by Jacob :))
    I've made a new thread about a more right wing party. I deal there's a gap. Please don't jump to thinking I mean a racist or BNPish party not that at all. More like the American Republican Party before it got so out of touch.

    Edit: at least in basic principles. Certainly not the homophobic pro Christian agenda they have had the last few decades.
    I know what you mean, there has rather been a hijacking of the party since, to paraphrase Barry Goldwater, those preachers got control of the party.

    It really depends what aspects of their policy you mean. (I won't pretend to have the best knowledge of US politics pre-Bush snr.)

    The libertarians tend to focus more on social issues, and have been struggling to pass any economic stuff in the last term (the previous parliament was strongly leftist, so we were very much on the defensive) but we have in the past aimed to reduce income based taxes and brought in ground rent based taxation (a policy on which the more economically minded of out party are better able to speak than myself, but which aims to shift tax burdens away from those creating wealth and towards those simply sitting on it)
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    Join the Greens. The pragmatic and fair party who care about our society's future.

    Also we share a name and passion for the environment with the RL Greens but certainly aren't a carbon copy.
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    I know what you mean, there has rather been a hijacking of the party since, to paraphrase Barry Goldwater, those preachers got control of the party.

    It really depends what aspects of their policy you mean. (I won't pretend to have the best knowledge of US politics pre-Bush snr.)

    The libertarians tend to focus more on social issues, and have been struggling to pass any economic stuff in the last term (the previous parliament was strongly leftist, so we were very much on the defensive) but we have in the past aimed to reduce income based taxes and brought in ground rent based taxation (a policy on which the more economically minded of out party are better able to speak than myself, but which aims to shift tax burdens away from those creating wealth and towards those simply sitting on it)
    Low tax and small government would be the main points.

    I'd also like to take inspiration from the republican government of Ancient Rome. It allowed powerful men to work for the benefit of the state whilst having policies to curb their ambition.

    I know that broke down eventually but it lasted about 500 years!
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    I'm stuck between Green, Liberals and Libertarians. Ugh.
    You may want to be aware that the Libertarians are capitalists whilst the Greens are on the left.

    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    Well, to narrow down, if you don't like socialists, we can cross of TSR Labour, who co-authored a bill which entailed confiscating £37bn of assets from private investors with no compensation. The greens are playing off of the RL greens, who are the nearest thing the UK has to a mainstream communist party, so you can probably cross them off too.

    Ignoring TehFrance, who's standing as a protest vote since we lost our excellent monster raving member, that leaves a split in terms of social policy, with UKIP and the tories on the more authoritatrian side, and the Liberals and Libertarians on the libertarian side.

    As I see it, these split further on their centrism, with tories and liberals as the more centrist and the Libertarians and UKIP as the more confirmed in their positions.

    So really, it boils down to how much influence you think the government should have on individual freedom. My own party, the Libertarians, stand for minimum state interference, arguing that the state should only interefere to defend the rights of the individual, which has led to our past sex and drugs bills, which legalised regulated brothels and recreational drugs respectively, and this same principle which has led to the bill of rights we intend to introduce to the house next term (hopefully, we'll get enough support to send this to a TSR wide referendum), which will seek to enshrine certain basic human rights in the house's constitution, to prevent things like the Lab/Soc thefts of private property.
    We are socially centrist with members ranging from the death penalty supporters to libertarians. I myself am socially center-liberal.
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    Good to know!

    Hmm. Well...

    No curtailing of civil liberties (Opposition of the Big Brother State).
    Increased chances of housing for more of society.
    Huge environmental reforms.
    Do SOMETHING about unemployment.
    I can see your dilemma, there are points from all of out parties in there. The Libers have probably missed a fair few votes by not emphasising our opposition to state surveillence and things like ID cards, we just forget that people don't know. On 2 and to an extent 3, we will be bringing forward legislation in the new parliament to lower taxes for Brownfield housing developers and make these properties more attractive to low income families.

    As to unemployment, we've boosted the economy (we'd like to think) to some extent by introducing legal recreational drugs (this has other advantages, but generating jobs and boosting pizza sales is definitely among them) and by removing outdated sunday trading laws. We also scrapped VAT.
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    (Original post by Jacob :))
    Low tax and small government would be the main points.

    I'd also like to take inspiration from the republican government of Ancient Rome. It allowed powerful men to work for the benefit of the state whilst having policies to curb their ambition.

    I know that broke down eventually but it lasted about 500 years!
    How small do you want your government?

    In general the Tories also fit the bill here, the difference perhaps being that at the fringes the libertarians have a more anarcho-capitalist element whilst the Tories are of the moderate economic right. We recently invested £0.6bn in the UK space industry to be met with £10bn of private funding.
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    (Original post by Jacob :))
    Low tax and small government would be the main points.

    I'd also like to take inspiration from the republican government of Ancient Rome. It allowed powerful men to work for the benefit of the state whilst having policies to curb their ambition.

    I know that broke down eventually but it lasted about 500 years!
    While this is exactly what you'd expect me to say, those are 2 of the core principles for libertarians. We believe the government exists to protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens. The tories are more moderate than us in this regard though, we tend to go with the minimum functional level of regulation wherever possible.
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    (Original post by Jacob :))
    Sadly I hate communism down to its purist form.

    People should be paid what they earn. Not have it given to others.
    Hence under communism/socialism giving working people the true fruits of their labour, not handing it to some wealthy capitalist who decides what pittance to return.
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    (Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
    I'm stuck between Green, Liberals and Libertarians. Ugh.
    I'm trying to work on what draws you to such vastly different parties. The greens and libertarians are polar opposites whilst the liberals are just a bunch of Nick Clegg loving 'centrists'
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    You may want to be aware that the Libertarians are capitalists whilst the Greens are on the left.



    We are socially centrist with members ranging from the death penalty supporters to libertarians. I myself am socially center-liberal.
    Support for death penalty always strikes me as a sign of someone who has forgotten that the state is made up of people no less fallible than the electorate. The idea that could allow a group of people who include homeopathy supporters and Diane Abbot to control the reins of a judiciary with power of life and death is deeply troubling to me.
 
 
 
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