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    family members dont think its right for me to be a female,asian muslim representing clients in a law court because of culture.
    Well, that's stupid.

    If you want to do law, do law.
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    You do know once you leave uni after finishing as a dentist isn't the DVD if it? There's training and CPD you have to complete similar to many other professions. Your spare time will be taken up with that.


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    You do know once you leave uni after finishing as a dentist isn't the DVD if it? There's training and CPD you have to complete similar to many other professions. Your spare time will be taken up with that.


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    As soon as time becomes available I will go back to study, if it isnt possible to do it whilst Im a practising dentist. I hope.
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    I have also done the maths and if its 5 for dentistry and 3 for law, then only 8 years in the run of getting 2 degrees , so not as long as many make it out to be, like compared to becoming a doctor.
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    Medical school takes 5 years. Dental school takes 5 years. In both, your pay will be relatively poor for a couple of years after you graduate.

    As far as I'm aware, a law conversion course is full-time. Practising as a dentist is full-time (more so at the beginning of your career). You'd see patients during the day. You need to study for law during the day. Perhaps you see the conundrum here?

    And your first degree is generally paid for by the Student Finance, so you don't need your parents money if you want to do law (and I don't really think you do).

    Now go do your GCSE Maths and stop half-arsing your life.
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    I'm a muslim female who is planning to do dentistry and i'm in year 13.

    First of all, RELAX! there is seriously no need for all of this worrying and planning. You are only 15!! You might think that you are forward planning but really by thinking about the future so intensely you will end up not having an enjoyable time at school and might even prevent yourself from doing extra-curricular things and taking part in stuff because you "know" that it has nothing to do with what you see yourself doing in 3/4 years time! so relax!

    Secondly, in the nicest way possible, you need a reality check. As nice as it sounds to complete two different degrees successfully, find yourself a job and have all this spare time to spend with family and stuff, it wont happen like that, because to do something like that you would need to miss out on sleeping, eating, spending time with family, meeting friends occasionally. Missing out on all of these will make you progressively miserable, you might become detached from everything that you know like Namaz (prayer) and keeping fasts. Its hard enough fasting when your not doing anything, try to fast when your doing dentistry from 9-5, coming home and studying law, and seeing to family. YOU WILL BE KNACKERED, and any enjoyment from what your doing will soon be lost.

    Thirdly, i totally understand the whole "girls aren't suitable for law" stuff, in fact my parents don't think im suitable for dentistry and would prefer me to do medicine! But that's their opinion, which i respect wholeheartedly but have made the decision to do dentistry anyway. Why? because you cannot go through life doing (major) things that other people want you to do. Dentistry is a huge degree, and then there is continuous training/courses throughout the career. You can't subject yourself to doing something that you know you do not want to do and dont have real passion for! Also you say that you have to be kind because your dad is paying for the tuition. Is he paying for it all? Does he know law will cost less than dentistry? Also if he refuses to pay, could you not just get a student loan? yes you will be in debt, but its worth the degree.

    Right im done.
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    :facepalm:

    Medical school takes 5 years. Dental school takes 5 years. In both, your pay will be relatively poor for a couple of years after you graduate.

    As far as I'm aware, a law conversion course is full-time. Practising as a dentist is full-time (more so at the beginning of your career). You'd see patients during the day. You need to study for law during the day. Perhaps you see the conundrum here?

    And your first degree is generally paid for by the Student Finance, so you don't need your parents money if you want to do law (and I don't really think you do).

    Now go do your GCSE Maths and stop half-arsing your life.
    Alryt fair point, I`ll figure it out as I go along, and I am doing my maths g.c.s.e. P.S.- The word "half -arsing" is really annoying
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    I'm a muslim female who is planning to do dentistry and i'm in year 13.

    First of all, RELAX! there is seriously no need for all of this worrying and planning. You are only 15!! You might think that you are forward planning but really by thinking about the future so intensely you will end up not having an enjoyable time at school and might even prevent yourself from doing extra-curricular things and taking part in stuff because you "know" that it has nothing to do with what you see yourself doing in 3/4 years time! so relax!

    Secondly, in the nicest way possible, you need a reality check. As nice as it sounds to complete two different degrees successfully, find yourself a job and have all this spare time to spend with family and stuff, it wont happen like that, because to do something like that you would need to miss out on sleeping, eating, spending time with family, meeting friends occasionally. Missing out on all of these will make you progressively miserable, you might become detached from everything that you know like Namaz (prayer) and keeping fasts. Its hard enough fasting when your not doing anything, try to fast when your doing dentistry from 9-5, coming home and studying law, and seeing to family. YOU WILL BE KNACKERED, and any enjoyment from what your doing will soon be lost.

    Thirdly, i totally understand the whole "girls aren't suitable for law" stuff, in fact my parents don't think im suitable for dentistry and would prefer me to do medicine! But that's their opinion, which i respect wholeheartedly but have made the decision to do dentistry anyway. Why? because you cannot go through life doing (major) things that other people want you to do. Dentistry is a huge degree, and then there is continuous training/courses throughout the career. You can't subject yourself to doing something that you know you do not want to do and dont have real passion for! Also you say that you have to be kind because your dad is paying for the tuition. Is he paying for it all? Does he know law will cost less than dentistry? Also if he refuses to pay, could you not just get a student loan? yes you will be in debt, but its worth the degree.

    Right im done.
    okay, i get what you`ve said but they wont listen my brother wants me too do law too, but my parents wont budge they are persistent that I do medicine, and I don't really want a loan if my dad is already willing to pay, and he doesn't care that dentistry will cost more. There`s no cutting corners with my dad its normally his way or the high way, and my mum says Ill just ruin my life if I do law because "its not respected as a suitable profession for a Muslim women" but I know that if I do medicine, it wont be horrific but I wont enjoy it as much as doing a law degree. How do you make them listen, that law is what I want to do. OK and I`ve taken a chill pill, I`m not stressed out, i`m just gonna play my parents at their own game and come a levels I will chose what I want to do and go to whichever uni I want to ( that will accept me). and I only posted this topic on here because bloody work experience has arrived and my parents are adamant about me working in a hospital with a consultant, even though in Birmingham Mill & Reeve - law firm, might be able to take me on for a week
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    (Original post by s24a)
    I'm a muslim female who is planning to do dentistry and i'm in year 13.

    First of all, RELAX! there is seriously no need for all of this worrying and planning. You are only 15!! You might think that you are forward planning but really by thinking about the future so intensely you will end up not having an enjoyable time at school and might even prevent yourself from doing extra-curricular things and taking part in stuff because you "know" that it has nothing to do with what you see yourself doing in 3/4 years time! so relax!

    Secondly, in the nicest way possible, you need a reality check. As nice as it sounds to complete two different degrees successfully, find yourself a job and have all this spare time to spend with family and stuff, it wont happen like that, because to do something like that you would need to miss out on sleeping, eating, spending time with family, meeting friends occasionally. Missing out on all of these will make you progressively miserable, you might become detached from everything that you know like Namaz (prayer) and keeping fasts. Its hard enough fasting when your not doing anything, try to fast when your doing dentistry from 9-5, coming home and studying law, and seeing to family. YOU WILL BE KNACKERED, and any enjoyment from what your doing will soon be lost.

    Thirdly, i totally understand the whole "girls aren't suitable for law" stuff, in fact my parents don't think im suitable for dentistry and would prefer me to do medicine! But that's their opinion, which i respect wholeheartedly but have made the decision to do dentistry anyway. Why? because you cannot go through life doing (major) things that other people want you to do. Dentistry is a huge degree, and then there is continuous training/courses throughout the career. You can't subject yourself to doing something that you know you do not want to do and dont have real passion for! Also you say that you have to be kind because your dad is paying for the tuition. Is he paying for it all? Does he know law will cost less than dentistry? Also if he refuses to pay, could you not just get a student loan? yes you will be in debt, but its worth the degree.

    Right im done.
    wowzers Im a muslim female in year 12 hoping to pursue dentistry too my immediate family were fine with me wanting to do dentistry but then my cousins and some "family friends" were a bit iffy about it probably for the same reason as yours! But they can't stop me as long as my parents are fine with it haha, and OP sorry but whilst reading through your post I couldnt help but laugh at your naivety, honestly dentistry is a full time dedication, and you CANNOT come home at 5, revise for law for a few hours, and then merrily spend time with your family! I know how it is with dentistry after doing work experience etc and you really need to have some rest once you leave the practice!
    I wanna spend time with my family too so I know what you mean, hence with dentistry once it comes to becoming an associate etc you have the opportunity to be a little flexible with your hours (after experience, mind) so you can finish a little earlier and spend time with family, that's the way I see it
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    I`m glad we all had this chat, I feel better and I think Ive decided to just go with the flow, get my grades then hopefully insha-allah, do law. Most of you are all coming out with similar / same answers saying time,commitment and money will be massive problems so you only get one shot, to do something you truly have a passion for, so I`m sticking with law and law alone. It will be quicker and I`ll enjoy it more than becoming a dentist. Doing a medical degree is my dads dream not mine.
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    (Original post by A.Cunningham)
    I`m glad we all had this chat, I feel better and I think Ive decided to just go with the flow, get my grades then hopefully insha-allah, do law. Most of you are all coming out with similar / same answers saying time,commitment and money will be massive problems so you only get one shot, to do something you truly have a passion for, so I`m sticking with law and law alone. It will be quicker and I`ll enjoy it more than becoming a dentist. Doing a medical degree is my dads dream not mine.
    You have time to change their minds.


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    Your best bet would to be a defence barrister specialising in negligent dental work.

    Best of both worlds eh?
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    (Original post by A.Cunningham)
    Alryt fair point, I`ll figure it out as I go along, and I am doing my maths g.c.s.e. P.S.- The word "half -arsing" is really annoying
    My answers depends on whether or not you will enjoy dentistry OP, because believe it or not the career path you just quoted is actually the career path for a dental legal lawyer. A small minority of those who graduate from dentistry don't necessarily become the conventional dentist (GDP) because there are other career pathways out there like this e.g. working in a laboratory for dentally related research (not seeing patients and more dental materials etc) If you like medicine more than dentistry then go down the medicine route and become a medico-legal lawyer. However, it will take a little bit longer than what you're expecting.
    5 years and then 2 years dental foundation training which will be mandatory by the time you graduate and to quote mr. Kenocide
    " Actually if you're planning to practise law it'll take more than 3 years: 3 year degree + 1 year LPC/BPTC, unless you skip the 3 year degree and just do the 1 year GDL conversion course "
    SO realistically speaking it will be about a good 10 years after doing your alevels before you can start becoming a dental legal lawyer. Thats not a long time compared to if for instance you wanted to go down the specialility route such as oral medicine or periodontics or orthodontics, (heck, becoming a maxillo facial surgeon requires you to study both medicine and dentistry but that doesnt put people off- it requires alot of dedication, and effort).

    Having said that, its really competitive to get into dentistry. You need more than just amazingly good grades (work experience, volunteering etc). having read what you wrote, I imagine that you are slightly being co-erced into dentistry, but that doesnt have to be the case. Do some work experience and see if you can imagine yourself as the dentist (it will be boring sometimes because all your not allowed to do anything (which is a good for health and safety) but really boring). Remember this famous quote "do the job you love and you will never have to work for a day for the rest of your life"

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    By the time you get to year 13 the grade requirements for dentistry (sorry i dont know much about law but I know that a good university for law is really competitive) will be like A*A*A for alevels and like 6a*s and more for gcse's so make sure you study hard regardeless of what you end up applying for. Aim for 700 and above in your ukcat, to help guarantee an interview.


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    until you become a consultant at a hospital or own your own firm (lawyer) there is no quick and easy way to earn lots of money without hard work. To become a consultant you need to work hard, for many years. Remember, you wont get anywhere without working hard. from what you wrote you seem like the studious/hard working type, so if you are take this as simply a good piece of advice.
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    Your best bet would to be a defence barrister specialising in negligent dental work.

    Best of both worlds eh?
    Yeah ! Closest I`ll ever get too having both, I guess. I`m happy !!
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    wow that was a long post by me, lolz
    I just read what you wrote in the time it took me to write my post above.

    In that case, i don't know you well enough to give you advice like a well wisher like your parents. I think law is great but it can have its downsides. Same with dentistry.

    Becoming a lawyer that earns lots of money isn't that easy, it will still require lots of hard work.

    Personal question: is it just because your a girl that they don't want you to become a lawyer or is it just because they don't like law full stop? I mean if your brother wanted to do law, would they allow him?
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    Being a barrister is a really stressful job (not to mention very difficult to get into). They work very long hours, don't earn anywhere near as much as people think they do, have to travel a lot, and it's a very insecure job in terms of getting work. I'm not saying don't do it, but all the ones I've met have stressed upon me that it's a difficult lifestyle, and only one to do if you really love it.

    But I heard dentists have a high suicide rate, so...swings and roundabouts.
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    (Original post by q-tip)
    My answers depends on whether or not you will enjoy dentistry OP, because believe it or not the career path you just quoted is actually the career path for a dental legal lawyer. A small minority of those who graduate from dentistry don't necessarily become the conventional dentist (GDP) because there are other career pathways out there like this e.g. working in a laboratory for dentally related research (not seeing patients and more dental materials etc) If you like medicine more than dentistry then go down the medicine route and become a medico-legal lawyer. However, it will take a little bit longer than what you're expecting.
    5 years and then 2 years dental foundation training which will be mandatory by the time you graduate and to quote mr. Kenocide
    " Actually if you're planning to practise law it'll take more than 3 years: 3 year degree + 1 year LPC/BPTC, unless you skip the 3 year degree and just do the 1 year GDL conversion course "
    SO realistically speaking it will be about a good 10 years after doing your alevels before you can start becoming a dental legal lawyer. Thats not a long time compared to if for instance you wanted to go down the specialility route such as oral medicine or periodontics or orthodontics, (heck, becoming a maxillo facial surgeon requires you to study both medicine and dentistry but that doesnt put people off- it requires alot of dedication, and effort).

    Having said that, its really competitive to get into dentistry. You need more than just amazingly good grades (work experience, volunteering etc). having read what you wrote, I imagine that you are slightly being co-erced into dentistry, but that doesnt have to be the case. Do some work experience and see if you can imagine yourself as the dentist (it will be boring sometimes because all your not allowed to do anything (which is a good for health and safety) but really boring). Remember this famous quote "do the job you love and you will never have to work for a day for the rest of your life"

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    By the time you get to year 13 the grade requirements for dentistry (sorry i dont know much about law but I know that a good university for law is really competitive) will be like A*A*A for alevels and like 6a*s and more for gcse's so make sure you study hard regardeless of what you end up applying for. Aim for 700 and above in your ukcat, to help guarantee an interview.


    P.S.S
    until you become a consultant at a hospital or own your own firm (lawyer) there is no quick and easy way to earn lots of money without hard work. To become a consultant you need to work hard, for many years. Remember, you wont get anywhere without working hard. from what you wrote you seem like the studious/hard working type, so if you are take this as simply a good piece of advice.

    I will do. Thank you for all your help, I will take your advice and some of the others that other users have posted. It has helped me make my decision, but things can always change, but I really don`t think my decision will change, I want to be a medico-legal lawyer, i like the sound of the job and what it involves, and I get the best of both worlds if I do that. Umm I would give you a green rep thingy, but Ive used all mine already, sorry. I will have to give it to you tomorrow. But I am grateful !!
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    wow that was a long post by me, lolz
    I just read what you wrote in the time it took me to write my post above.

    In that case, i don't know you well enough to give you advice like a well wisher like your parents. I think law is great but it can have its downsides. Same with dentistry.

    Becoming a lawyer that earns lots of money isn't that easy, it will still require lots of hard work.

    Personal question: is it just because your a girl that they don't want you to become a lawyer or is it just because they don't like law full stop? I mean if your brother wanted to do law, would they allow him?
    I`m prepared to put in the work because its what I want to do, and the answer to your question is, it is because I`m a girl ( really sexist culture),because my brother is in his second year reading law at the Uni of Birmingham. Please don't think i`m completely lame and not tried to argue the sexism but they just say that's the way it is and the way its staying. UNFORTUNATELY.
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    (Original post by geetar)
    Being a barrister is a really stressful job (not to mention very difficult to get into). They work very long hours, don't earn anywhere near as much as people think they do, have to travel a lot, and it's a very insecure job in terms of getting work. I'm not saying don't do it, but all the ones I've met have stressed upon me that it's a difficult lifestyle, and only one to do if you really love it.

    But I heard dentists have a high suicide rate, so...swings and roundabouts.
    I know, but I will happier, if im a lawyer and failing and stressed rather than being a dentist and failing, because I will be motivated enough to keep going until I get better or land a permanent job or whatever, but I believe if I went into medicine and was failing, I would try again fail and then just give up.
    P.S. - to be really honest I would rather not be failing, but worst case scenerios
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    okay, i get what you`ve said but they wont listen my brother wants me too do law too, but my parents wont budge they are persistent that I do medicine, and I don't really want a loan if my dad is already willing to pay, and he doesn't care that dentistry will cost more. There`s no cutting corners with my dad its normally his way or the high way, and my mum says Ill just ruin my life if I do law because "its not respected as a suitable profession for a Muslim women" but I know that if I do medicine, it wont be horrific but I wont enjoy it as much as doing a law degree. How do you make them listen, that law is what I want to do. OK and I`ve taken a chill pill, I`m not stressed out, i`m just gonna play my parents at their own game and come a levels I will chose what I want to do and go to whichever uni I want to ( that will accept me). and I only posted this topic on here because bloody work experience has arrived and my parents are adamant about me working in a hospital with a consultant, even though in Birmingham Mill & Reeve - law firm, might be able to take me on for a week
    I really get the whole sexism stuff, its unfair and even when we try to show our elders a different point of view, they are stuck in their ways, it's totally relatable to every asian girl! You've asked "how do you make them listen". The way that i would do it is to talk to your parents about successful asian/muslim women who are barristers/lawyers/solicitors. Don't talk AT them or rant at them, but just mention it from time to time. Also (if you have parents like me) they watch SOOO much news (mainly ARY and that stuff). If they are watching it, point out how many women, (YES WOMEN!) there are in the supreme courts, and wanting to go for the elections in asian countries. Subtly tell them that women can be as successful and still have time for family etc. In regards to your work experiance, if it was me i would do the one week or two weeks with the doctors, and then do one week with that law firm. That way you've covered both bases!


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    I`m glad we all had this chat, I feel better and I think Ive decided to just go with the flow, get my grades then hopefully insha-allah, do law. Most of you are all coming out with similar / same answers saying time,commitment and money will be massive problems so you only get one shot, to do something you truly have a passion for, so I`m sticking with law and law alone. It will be quicker and I`ll enjoy it more than becoming a dentist. Doing a medical degree is my dads dream not mine.
    good im so glad you realise this!! there are so many girls, who just do whatever their parents say (and even though that is very very good to do) it isnt very good for huge decisions like degrees etc.
 
 
 
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