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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Don't underestimate the political importance of students. We are a huge potential force for change in society. That's why the authorities try to come down on us so harshly when we protest, as in the student protests against tuition fees. It is actually highly likely that efforts are underway from the political right to control this site.
    They'll have to up their game then as the level of debate from them is piss poor.
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    No one can do anything regarding EU migration because it is a fundamental principle of the EU, FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT laid out in the Treaty of Rome 1957

    The European Union is here to stay and I wish people accept this fact not spouting their rhetoric of leaving
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    They appear to have merged. There is a new far-right consensus between a number of Europhobic Tory MPs, Ukip and EDL and the consensus has moved into the Mail and Telegraph. The Daily Telegraph have even started a Kelvin MacKenzie column today! He is one of the main mouthpieces of these factions.

    I am fairly certain we are seeing regular and sustained attempts by Ukip people to dominate this forum.
    Don't think you can bracket a serious political party with the dangerous nonsense spouted by the EDL.

    I don't like the Daily Mail but I think there is a growing need for reasoned debate about Europe without resorting to Daily Mail horror stories, which are often nonsense. So I agree with you to that extent.

    But no, I don't think there's any 'domination' of threads at all; in fact there seems a real mix of EU-fans and eurosceptics. Just because someone goes on a rant about the EU/'immigration' doesn't mean that I agree with them.

    Many of UKIP's supporters are quite socially liberal like myself so I think to tar them with the same brush as the BNP/EDL which I would bracket under fanaticism rather than serious politics is wrong in my opinion.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Right now we have massive government attacks on the poor and the Tories are using the police as a tool to brutally suppress protest. A couple of years ago they used it against students in London on a massive scale and against the very popular UK Uncut tax protests - the cases arising from that are still going on. Few causes have as much popular support as the campaign to end massive tax avoidance by corporations, yet despite Coalition blather on the subject, little is being truly done to clamp down on it. Today we have the news that directors of more than 175,000 UK companies are based in tax havens. Enough money is kept in tax havens to provide for the entire government spending of the United States and Japan for a year!

    TSR political threads are not reflecting this reality. Instead, we have a regular blizzard of Daily Mail-influenced thread titles, attacking so-called 'scroungers', trying to paint the poor as undeserving, attacking immigrants and all the rest of the usual far-right message that the poor and immigrants are to blame for our woes, the biggest lie of many lies that the Tories are currently telling.

    This is now such a regular pattern that the UK politics forum appears to be almost dead in the water - most posters are bogged down arguing with people who appear to be wholly committed to the EDL/BNP/Ukip lines. So much so, that we must ask the question - are these organisations seeking to control debate on TSR? Is TSR willing to allow this to continue? Is it what we really want?
    Yes! I couldn't agree with you more! Multicultural socialism all the way, it's what my life is about!
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    (Original post by Tactical Nuclear Penguin)
    Don't think you can bracket a serious political party with the dangerous nonsense spouted by the EDL.

    I don't like the Daily Mail but I think there is a growing need for reasoned debate about Europe without resorting to Daily Mail horror stories, which are often nonsense. So I agree with you to that extent.

    But no, I don't think there's any 'domination' of threads at all; in fact there seems a real mix of EU-fans and eurosceptics. Just because someone goes on a rant about the EU/'immigration' doesn't mean that I agree with them.

    Many of UKIP's supporters are quite socially liberal like myself so I think to tar them with the same brush as the BNP/EDL which I would bracket under fanaticism rather than serious politics is wrong in my opinion.
    Many of the most active UKIP people, including the MEPs and party officers, have made few efforts to disguise their racism or xenophobia.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...-look-evidence

    Ukip have taken over the space previously occupied by EDL and have simply become the acceptable face of modern racism.
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    UKIP are full of CRAP.

    Their wrong on the EU, they lie and scaremonger people. Today I saw a banner at my local bus station station saying UKIP a party of the people for the people, pure BS

    Their MEP's have a low attendance record in the European Parliament
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Don't underestimate the political importance of students. We are a huge potential force for change in society. That's why the authorities try to come down on us so harshly when we protest, as in the student protests against tuition fees. It is actually highly likely that efforts are underway from the political right to control this site.
    I though the authorities came down hard on them because a lot of them were mindless vandals...
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    (Original post by Tactical Nuclear Penguin)
    Don't think you can bracket a serious political party with the dangerous nonsense spouted by the EDL.

    I don't like the Daily Mail but I think there is a growing need for reasoned debate about Europe without resorting to Daily Mail horror stories, which are often nonsense. So I agree with you to that extent.

    But no, I don't think there's any 'domination' of threads at all; in fact there seems a real mix of EU-fans and eurosceptics. Just because someone goes on a rant about the EU/'immigration' doesn't mean that I agree with them.

    Many of UKIP's supporters are quite socially liberal like myself so I think to tar them with the same brush as the BNP/EDL which I would bracket under fanaticism rather than serious politics is wrong in my opinion.
    UKIP is often wrongly cut from the same cloth as the BNP/EDL. I still believe that UKIP is just a lighter, more accessible version of these policies found within the BNP/EDL. I dread to think what would emerge if UKIP did get into power.
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    (Original post by tjf8)
    I though the authorities came down hard on them because a lot of them were mindless vandals...
    Like the disabled guy in the wheelchair they beat up for example? Please. Their were a few high profile headbanger cases made hay off by the press, but the police were brutal in many off-camera and on-camera situations in quite unprovoked cases. Not to mention the kettling which was despicable, they kept pregnant women caged up for hours without offers of water and they hit people - they even killed one bloke.
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    Leaving the EU will have disastrous consequences, UKIP have not through their fantasy
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    (Original post by Mr Faust)
    UKIP is often wrongly cut from the same cloth as the BNP/EDL. I still believe that UKIP is just a lighter, more accessible version of these policies found within the BNP/EDL. I dread to think what would emerge if UKIP did get into power.
    Yeah, they've just softened the rhetoric enough to make it acceptable in drawing rooms. Farage is an extreme right-wing libertarian with no interest in working people and he is surrounded by people who would have been perfectly happy in the BNP or EDL.
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    Like Farage actually wants to pull out of the EU anyway, it pays his wages. He's got his snout in the trough just like the rest of 'em.
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    Nigel Farage is a populist ****
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Like the disabled guy in the wheelchair they beat up for example? Please. Their were a few high profile headbanger cases made hay off by the press, but the police were brutal in many off-camera and on-camera situations in quite unprovoked cases. Not to mention the kettling which was despicable, they kept pregnant women caged up for hours without offers of water and they hit people - they even killed one bloke.
    Yeah well it was a pretty violent and angry mob on average, and I have some sympathy with the police in those situations because it must be incredibly difficult, physically and psychologically, to deal with them. Obviously some of them handled it better than others.
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    Oh and for those who think UKIP are different from the BNP? Here's Farage with well known white supremacist Ron Paul.
    http://www.ukipmeps.org/news_723_Nig...onference.html
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    What utter tosh.

    Yes, every now and again there'll be a time period, say a day or two where it will seem everybody is of the same opinion, but other than that, rubbish.

    What you mean is, there are too many people disagreeing with me! And they wont change their opinion and agree with me! Infact, they insist on giving their opinion on a forum! Oppression!

    How silly.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    Nigel Farage is a populist ****
    Amen, Sister.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    What utter tosh.

    Yes, every now and again there'll be a time period, say a day or two where it will seem everybody is of the same opinion, but other than that, rubbish.

    What you mean is, there are too many people disagreeing with me! And they wont change their opinion and agree with me! Infact, they insist on giving their opinion on a forum! Oppression!

    How silly.
    A little unfair.

    I have noticed a strong right wing presence on this forum.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    What utter tosh.

    Yes, every now and again there'll be a time period, say a day or two where it will seem everybody is of the same opinion, but other than that, rubbish.

    What you mean is, there are too many people disagreeing with me! And they wont change their opinion and agree with me! Infact, they insist on giving their opinion on a forum! Oppression!

    How silly.
    It's not the fact that it's conflicting opinions. It's just mindless ranting about ridiculous, extremist and even offensive views that have no place in the House of Commons or any respected debating group. It shouldn't be allowed on a forum for students.
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    (Original post by Mr Faust)
    It's not the fact that it's conflicting opinions. It's just mindless ranting about ridiculous, extremist and even offensive views that have no place in the House of Commons or any respected debating group. It shouldn't be allowed on a forum for students.
    Yes and not just that, but repetitively reposting new threads every day with the same basic points ("immigrants suck - so do benefit scroungers and chavs") slightly rewritten and quoting the latest Daily Mail headline.

    One might equally conclude that someone working for the Mail is busy on here, but I suspect from the activity patterns that it is mainly Ukip.
 
 
 
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