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    The reason is simple, to start a revolution you need the support of the people.

    Todays left are so out of touch with the population and the common man as to make any thought of revolution nothing more than a dream.

    The same goes for the ultra-right, but that's ok...we just need to wait.
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    (Original post by sammynorton90)
    Whenever I speak to 'radicals' they always claim the reason they don't start a revolution is because the left is too small now after the collapse of the USSR and the forces they are fighting against are too powerful. I personally think this is an excuse and that a lot of these so called 'radicals' are just trying to create a cool Che Guveura style image for themselves, and would **** themselves and be too scared to join in a real revolution.

    And by revolution I don't mean a protest, or a riot where they just vandalise things, I mean an actual, well-organised, planned out, revolution. But when I ask why this doesn't happen to 'radicals' they just give the excuses I listed above. They also try to make out that people like them are really rare, like I'm meant to go 'oh my god, not a teenage radical, I've never seen one of them before', when in actual fact its so predictable and cliché its like I'm watching The Young Ones. Am I just being cynical, or do you think a large amount of people who give themselves the radical tag are just doing it for an image?
    Yes, I say this because I used to be like this. Particularly with students half of these so called 'radicals' are doing it to try and be cool. I would respect them more if they got off their arses and did something. Instead most are more interested in whinging and chasing re-tweets or facebook likes. Sad but true!

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    I bet I could find at least 500k on twitter in 2 months claiming that they're left wing radicals
    Exactly. I think you'll find that most of these student 'radicals' are in reality a bunch of posers or indoctrinated by their mates at uni and/or the Guardian. There were plenty of posh people who started uni with me in 2010 who miraculously transformed into hardcore left-wingers by the end of the year. Lol.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    I've never understood the Che Guveura worship. From what I understand the two attempted revolutions he was actually in charge of, in the Congo and Bolivia, he failed in both. So even if communism and revolutions float your boat, Che wasn't even all that good at it.
    it's *that* picture of him looking all intense and smouldery, and that he died while he was still young and sexy.

    He was a doctors son fwiw.
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    To be honest I think I am one of the left-wingers you mention, regrettably. I agree that the Che Guevara idolisation is something to be ashamed of. The problem is, what exactly do we do? go up to a load of politicians and say "you're fired!"?. How do we take over the means of production when union membership is so uncommon now? with the latter in mind I can't see a general strike happening any time soon. Without the state to protect it, we could abolish private property as there is nothing to enforce such property, however, I think the workers would still need to summon the courage to go up to their bosses and tell them they're out.
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    Revolutions are so passe.
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    The simple reason is that there are not enough of them and they are largely concentrated in one or two demographics. Students like to go around quoting Marx but then they get jobs, grow up and realize that actually socialism does not work, is a pretty naive concept and they were a bit silly when they were younger.

    I bear no disrespect to socialists, they just remind me of little girls.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    that'd be quite a naieve association. Orwell wrote an essay (or two) about it iirc which still seem current... it's virtually always the case that the actual proles don't want a revolution and the radicals are somewhat privileged and just think they'd make a better job of bossing everyone around than the established elite.
    Another example of the hypocrisy of the loony left
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The simple reason is that there are not enough of them and they are largely concentrated in one or two demographics. Students like to go around quoting Marx but then they get jobs, grow up and realize that actually socialism does not work, is a pretty naive concept and they were a bit silly when they were younger.

    I bear no disrespect to socialists, they just remind me of little girls.
    Exactly

    As Thatcher (God rest her soul) said: " Socialism is good until you run out of other people's money"
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    The reason is simple, to start a revolution you need the support of the people.

    Todays left are so out of touch with the population and the common man as to make any thought of revolution nothing more than a dream.

    The same goes for the ultra-right, but that's ok...we just need to wait.
    Loool surely the surge of UKIP shows a shift towards the right- originally started my the sadly departed Mrs T
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    that'd be quite a naieve association. Orwell wrote an essay (or two) about it iirc which still seem current... it's virtually always the case that the actual proles don't want a revolution and the radicals are somewhat privileged and just think they'd make a better job of bossing everyone around than the established elite.
    Well what you've put in bold is true- I cannot think of more than one or two students that I know who come from that sort of background :confused:
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    There is really no appetite for it. Things aren't that bad. I'm not seeing any truly convincing solutions from these left wing radicals, so even as someone broadly sympathetic to their concerns I still wouldn't support such a drastic step at a time of relative stability. A revolution, if it succeeded, would probably mess our country up pretty badly.
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    (Original post by chriswalker)
    Yes, I say this because I used to be like this. Particularly with students half of these so called 'radicals' are doing it to try and be cool. I would respect them more if they got off their arses and did something. Instead most are more interested in whinging and chasing re-tweets or facebook likes. Sad but true!



    Exactly. I think you'll find that most of these student 'radicals' are in reality a bunch of posers or indoctrinated by their mates at uni and/or the Guardian. There were plenty of posh people who started uni with me in 2010 who miraculously transformed into hardcore left-wingers by the end of the year. Lol.
    Exactly. Nothing wrong with being left-wing and saying you are, the problem is they call themselves radicals and think its unique to do so, when in actual fact they're a dime a dozen in sixth forms and universities. I think i read somewhere that a lot of bush's administration where 'comitted' trotskyites when younger, which really illustrates my point
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    (Original post by Barksy)
    The far left is dead and has been for quite some time. Let it rot.
    And so is the far right.
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    By 'Left-wing radical revolution' do you mean the Marxist version of the enlightened and conscious working class 'for themselves' (as opposed to 'in itself') unprecedented revolution with the objective of proletarian seizing of power and ending the bourgeois dictatorship with that of the masses?

    The short answer is: people are, generally, still quite stupid.
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    (Original post by QueenOfSabotage)
    By 'Left-wing radical revolution' do you mean the Marxist version of the enlightened and conscious working class 'for themselves' (as opposed to 'in itself') unprecedented revolution with the objective of proletarian seizing of power and ending the bourgeois dictatorship with that of the masses?

    The short answer is: people are, generally, still quite stupid.
    Are you saying the reason there's no revolution is because the working-class are too stupid to start one?
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    (Original post by QueenOfSabotage)
    By 'Left-wing radical revolution' do you mean the Marxist version of the enlightened and conscious working class 'for themselves' (as opposed to 'in itself') unprecedented revolution with the objective of proletarian seizing of power and ending the bourgeois dictatorship with that of the masses?

    The short answer is: people are, generally, still quite stupid.
    Wasn't French Commune of 1871, Russian Revolution(s) 1905-1917, German Communist Revolution under Rosa Luxemburg such revolution?

    It may be disputed.

    Nevertheless, I think you're totally right in pointing out as to why we do not have one today. People champion the notion of safety over liberty and always challenge those at the bottom, due to their stupidity (quite frankly) and not their true masters.
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    (Original post by bunnyonthehill)
    Because there aren't enough of them!

    And they don't have the money to finance one, or the public support. Infact why don't left wing radicals realise they're in the minority and shut up.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    and shut up.
    I live for the ideology so you shut up and let me get on with changing the world so your offspring can enjoy a glorious, prosperous, non-alienating future and live, not only exist.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    And they don't have the money to finance one, or the public support. Infact why don't left wing radicals realise they're in the minority and shut up.
    H'indeed! :beard:
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    In the UK? I don't know. Especially since, being Dutch, I am absolutely horrified by the socio-economic class division in Britain which doesn't repeat itself nowhere in continental Europe, from social-democratic Scandinavia to the free-market capitalist nations of Eastern Europe.
 
 
 
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