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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Well, I support Israel's right to stop them to be honest.
    Israel, the country that owns nuclear weapons and has used illegal war weapon on gazan civilian populations and continues violating international law by building illegal settlements?
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    (Original post by doggyfizzel)
    Probably the two con tries threatening them, and probably via the military action they keep threatening.

    Google it.
    Iranian armed forced are much more advanced then Iraq's... It's not gonna be a walkover..I only need to show you one link with comments from retired and current US and Israeli officials concerning military action. There is a reason why Iran are not taking this seriously, simply because no one is.

    In the event of "military action, Hezbollah would fire the thousands of missiles they have at israel and so would Iran, As well as US bases..Mine the hormuz strait..The Iranian Navy is suited to that type of warfare...Look at its anti ship missiles as well..Radar...Air defences...


    I think it will be the best equipped and trained army America has encountered fot a while...Israel has no chance on its own.



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    (Original post by MENDACIUM)
    Iran are not going to use nuclear weapons. An intelligent mind like you must know that. North Korea are the real and true culprits here. It's not the first time America has been disastrously wrong either. North Korea is literally threatening you with an attack, and Iran is allowing world agencies to come and inspect them freely, and we all choose to come down much harder on Iran. I smell an Israeli interest here.
    If Iran arms itself with nuclear weapons other nations in the region will follow, the chance of miscalculation becomes very, very high. I don't think Iran would develop nuclear weapons and start nuking everyone but the scope for an accidental nuclear exchange becomes incredibly high. Just look how close things have become between the USA and USSR, India and Pakistan. The last thing the world needs is a similar situation in the Middle East
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    (Original post by MENDACIUM)
    Israel, the country that owns nuclear weapons and has used illegal war weapon on gazan civilian populations and continues violating international law by building illegal settlements?
    Yes. As much as I'd like them to stop doing such things, a Nuclear Iran is a much bigger threat to regional and world security.
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    Clear illustration that Britain needs to maintain its nuclear deterrent. And replace Trident. £20 Billion or nuclear uncertainty.

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    (Original post by Aj12)
    If Iran arms itself with nuclear weapons other nations in the region will follow, the chance of miscalculation becomes very, very high. I don't think Iran would develop nuclear weapons and start nuking everyone but the scope for an accidental nuclear exchange becomes incredibly high. Just look how close things have become between the USA and USSR, India and Pakistan. The last thing the world needs is a similar situation in the Middle East
    I know for a fact Iran will not use a nuclear bomb. They are allowing international organisations to come in and inspect them. We all need to remove political prejudices and honestly look at the real enemies here. North Korea - whether it's a façade or not- are the biggest threat in the middle east.
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    (Original post by Hilly1)
    Clear illustration that Britain needs to maintain its nuclear deterrent. And replace Trident. £20 Billion or nuclear uncertainty.

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    That's false. Iran is not going to Nuke Britain , and I'm not even sure if it even is building a nuclear arsenal.
    It allows international inspections, unlike North Korea.
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    (Original post by Umar1)
    Iranian armed forced are much more advanced then Iraq's... It's not gonna be a walkover..I only need to show you one link with comments from retired and current US and Israeli officials concerning military action. There is a reason why Iran are not taking this seriously, simply because no one is.

    In the event of "military action, Hezbollah would fire the thousands of missiles they have at israel and so would Iran, As well as US bases..Mine the hormuz strait..The Iranian Navy is suited to that type of warfare...Look at its anti ship missiles as well..Radar...Air defences...


    I think it will be the best equipped and trained army America has encountered fot a while...Israel has no chance on its own.
    Irrelevant, no one is looking at a conventional. I doubt the Army would be involved in any meaningful capacity. The most likely situation would be aerial bombardment of specific sites, something which would be far more achievable. Lasting a few days at most. Iran are clearly taking it seriously hence all the bravado releasing images of new planes, ships and technologies, what purpose does that serve if not to project a image of military strength.

    Threat is Israel is also irrelevant, home made rockets are little threat compared to larger nuclear armed hostile neighbour. Its easily the lesser of two evils. They certainly wouldn't be going at it alone.
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    (Original post by MENDACIUM)
    I know for a fact Iran will not use a nuclear bomb. They are allowing international organisations to come in and inspect them. We all need to remove political prejudices and honestly look at the real enemies here. North Korea - whether it's a façade or not- are the biggest threat in the middle east.
    It's interesting mentioning North Korea in this. They and Iran have a long history of nuclear and missile technology cooperation. Granted Iran is working with nuclear inspectors now but it is yet to be seen if anything will come of it. North Korea was working with nuclear inspectors right up until their first nuclear test
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    (Original post by MENDACIUM)
    That's false. Iran is not going to Nuke Britain , and I'm not even sure if it even is building a nuclear arsenal.
    It allows international inspections, unlike North Korea.
    Or the nuclear inspections are a facade to deter military action from Israel.

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    Double standards be damned, Iran simply can't be trusted to have nuclear weapons. It's absurd to think that a country with middle-age belief systems can have 21st century capabilities of destruction.
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    (Original post by miser)
    Double standards be damned, Iran simply can't be trusted to have nuclear weapons.
    I don't think its even a double standard. Britain isn't developing a nuclear weapon, we have been dropping and dropping our stockpile, the numbers active or carried, we aren't threatening countries with nuclear strikes.
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    (Original post by doggyfizzel)
    I don't think its even a double standard. Britain isn't developing a nuclear weapon, we have been dropping and dropping our stockpile, the numbers active or carried, we aren't threatening countries with nuclear strikes.
    Well it's not a double standard from my perspective as I support global disarmament, and likewise from the UK for the reasons you give, but it seems to be one if the US, India, China and Russia are backing the cessation of Iran's nuclear ambitions.
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    (Original post by doggyfizzel)
    Irrelevant, no one is looking at a conventional. I doubt the Army would be involved in any meaningful capacity. The most likely situation would be aerial bombardment of specific sites, something which would be far more achievable. Lasting a few days at most. Iran are clearly taking it seriously hence all the bravado releasing images of new planes, ships and technologies, what purpose does that serve if not to project a image of military strength.

    Threat is Israel is also irrelevant, home made rockets are little threat compared to larger nuclear armed hostile neighbour. Its easily the lesser of two evils. They certainly wouldn't be going at it alone.
    I imagine Iran would try to respond surely? They aren't just going to take strikes against them without any sort of convectional response.
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    Iran is well within its rights to develop nuclear energy for peaceful means. ZERO proof that is developing a nuclear weapon. Again disgusting double standards from the West and the members of TSR.
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    For **** sake. They are not making nuclear weapons.
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    No. Then again I support universal nuclear disarmament. But I certainly don't think totalitarian dictatorships should have them, no.
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    (Original post by miser)
    Well it's not a double standard from my perspective as I support global disarmament, and likewise from the UK for the reasons you give, but it seems to be one if the US, India, China and Russia are backing the cessation of Iran's nuclear ambitions.
    To an extent but even the US and Russia have their START programme. I mean ultimately the first step to nuclear disarmament has to be to stop more weapons being put on the table. I think there is a difference between dealing with an issue you currently find yourself in and actively trying to place yourself in one.

    (Original post by Aj12)
    I imagine Iran would try to respond surely? They aren't just going to take strikes against them without any sort of convectional response.
    I'm not so sure, what do they have to gain other than pride? If the US and Israel with international backing decide they are going to attack and destroy the nuclear facilities there isn't much Iran can do on that front, from there its got to be a case of damage minimisation. A conventional retaliation is going to do nothing other than prolong and possible provoke a more permanent military effort. I don't think Iran or its leadership has much to gain from turning a couple of days worth of strikes on selected targets into a open conflict.
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    (Original post by MENDACIUM)
    That's false. Iran is not going to Nuke Britain , and I'm not even sure if it even is building a nuclear arsenal.
    It allows international inspections, unlike North Korea.
    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    Iran is well within its rights to develop nuclear energy for peaceful means. ZERO proof that is developing a nuclear weapon. Again disgusting double standards from the West and the members of TSR.
    (Original post by stackemup)
    For **** sake. They are not making nuclear weapons.
    And you all know this... how?

    Iran's nuclear bomb program complete

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    The first is in the town of Khondab near the city of Arak in central Iran where Iran’s heavy-water plant reactor is located, which, once operational, will provide enough plutonium for several bombs just in its first year. WND will soon publish information on the second secret nuclear site, which has direct Russian participation involving [email protected] technology for uranium enrichment. The Khondab site, according to the source, expands on the activity at Iran’s previously secret site in Fordo, about 80 miles away. When the existence of Fordo was revealed in September 2009, much of the nuclear bomb research and equipment was later transferred to Khondab.



    The new site, in the belly of a mountain, is immune to airstrikes. It has three levels accessible by three elevators. The first level is security, where personnel check in, cell phones, arms and other items are confiscated, IDs are checked and passage allowed. The second level houses the centrifuges and the third level the lab, where work is ongoing on both uranium and plutonium bombs. The uranium enrichment on the second level is in two phases: The first phase has eight cascades of centrifuges into which uranium hexafluoride gas has been fed for enrichment; the second phase has 12 cascades with six already operational and six more being readied.

    The planning of the site was approved under former president Mohammad Khatami, but the project was approved by the current president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and completed over two years ago. Several high-power towers, visible in images, have been installed near the site to provide much-needed electricity for the centrifuges. The electricity flows only to the bottom of the mountain, where entrances have been dug out.



    “The imagery clearly shows some kind of highly sensitive and fortified installation supporting a deep underground facility inside the mountain,” stated Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, a former CIA analyst and executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security, an advisory board to Congress. “The exterior facility has a huge security gate and guard post, the entire installation is surrounded by miles of deep trench and berm, like a medieval fortress, with modern security fences and guard posts. “And there are clearly two enormous underground entrances surmounted by a building that may power elevator shafts, escalators or a subway to the underground complex inside the mountain,” he said.



    Of particular interest, Pry said, are the high-tension power lines at the facility. “Whatever is going on inside needs a lot of electricity. Chemical and biological weapons programs have very modest power needs, compared to nuclear weapons programs, which consume enormous amounts of electricity.”

    Pry said that Russia, China and North Korea are helping Iran’s nuclear and missile programs and that it is probably no accident that Iran’s underground facilities closely resemble those countries’ setups, which were intended to deceive the West during and after the Cold War. “The discovery of previously unknown underground facilities of such size and potential significance in Iran is further proof that the U.S. is probably underestimating the advancement and sophistication of Iran’s nuclear weapons program,” Pry said. “The present policy of negotiation until Iran is caught red-handed moving toward nuclear weaponization is a policy doomed to fail – probably already has failed inside one of Iran’s underground nuclear installations.”

    The site is supervised by Mohsen Fakhrizadeh-Mahabadi, the father of Iran’s nuclear bomb program. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s representative, former defense minister Ali Shamkhani, routinely visits the site. There are 60 personnel working at this site, with four Russian and three North Korean scientists helping the Iranian scientists. Iranian scientists Massoud Ali Mohammadi and Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, who worked on this Khondab project, were assassinated, Mohammadi in 2010 and Roshan last year. Because of those assassinations, Khamenei has ordered the Ministry of Intelligence and National Security to keep a close eye on all employees at various sites and monitor their movement and communications.

    Two missile sites in the vicinity of this nuclear site are hidden underground to protect the site from an airstrike.

    Currently more than 2,000 centrifuges are enriching uranium at this facility, with more to be operative shortly. With the failure in three rounds of talks since last April between the world powers 5+1 and Iran over its illicit nuclear program and the regime’s defiance in stopping its enrichment and preventing the International Atomic Energy Agency from inspecting suspect sites, the West is running out of options, the source added. He said the regime believes that ultimately America will have no choice but to accept a nuclear-armed Iran.


    Take your time to read the above before coming back. That Iran has nuclear ambitions is without doubt, but they have long said it was for civilian power. Fair enough. But why build it so far under a mountain if that was the case? Why build it with power lines feeding power in to the facility rather than out? Why build it so far away from a population source? Nuclear power stations lose a lot of energy in transmission so need to be nearby the towns they provide power for.
    If it's not a civilian project then the only logical conclusion we can come to is that it's a military - and therefore a weapons - programme.
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    I'd welcome Israeli rocket attacks on Nuclear sites should negotiations fail. We cannot have another North Korea (nutty state gaining Nuclear Weapons).
 
 
 
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