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    (Original post by pandabird)
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    Typical. That's not what the welfare system is about. It is about helping those who are genuinely not able to work, and helping those who are currently out of work and need to survive until they find work. Yes a small portion of that does consist of selfish people who expect to sponge off the government. But that is an unintended flaw of the system. That is not what welfare is about.

    It is selfish to not want to contribute for the former group, but it is not selfish to resent paying money for the latter. The trouble is people like you and OP (and Cameron), resent the idea of contributing full stop. You cover yourselves up by pretending that everyone receiving support are scroungers, lazy scum-bags, but that's only the case for some of them. So many people are being unfairly targeted.
    Don't you dare impugn my honour, Miss.
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    As far as I'm concerned, they can worry about their own food, heating and accommodation, and I'll worry about mine.
    You've just perfectly answered your question there.

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    Don't you dare impugn my honour, Miss.
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    (Original post by pandabird)
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    Typical. That's not what the welfare system is about. It is about helping those who are genuinely not able to work, and helping those who are currently out of work and need to survive until they find work. Yes a small portion of that does consist of selfish people who expect to sponge off the government. But that is an unintended flaw of the system. That is not what welfare is about.

    It is selfish to not want to contribute for the former group, but it is not selfish to resent paying money for the latter. The trouble is people like you and OP (and Cameron), resent the idea of contributing full stop. You cover yourselves up by pretending that everyone receiving support are scroungers, lazy scum-bags, but that's only the case for some of them. So many people are being unfairly targeted.
    If I can work hard and generate wealth, why can't others?
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    (Original post by Hackett)
    If I can work hard and generate wealth, why can't others?
    Everyone can work hard, it's a question of a lack of capital ( which can be a circumstance of birth) which can lead to wealth distribution inequality, luck is also a factor.
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    (Original post by Hackett)
    If I can work hard and generate wealth, why can't others?
    Do you lack basic knowledge and logic? Go read some developmental literature for a start. If you're still completely ignorant, go do some placements in schools in poor areas.

    And secondly, the idea that everyone should be wealthy and it's a failing if you aren't is absolutely ridiculous. Our society is dependent on the working class, we'd be lost without them. What use would a society consisting of only rich professionals be?
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    (Original post by miser)
    Not all people with right-wing (economic) politics are selfish - I expect many truly believe that the best way to empower the poor is through the free market. Competition of course drives down prices to produce the best value for everyone, and it is implied that this is of benefit also to the needy. Others will add that allowing people to choose where their money goes will make people more charitable, and that choice in donations requires charities to work at spending their money well or else people would be less inclined to donate to them.

    Of course, I mostly disagree with these arguments.
    Whenever I see these debates I always just think there is a trade off between equality and efficiency, in an economic sense.
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    I pay 1% of my income before tax to charity, which I'm guessing is more than half of these socialists (they're too busy grabbing what they can). Is the view that capitalists are selfish blatently wrong?
    How do you pay so little!
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    No; it is the view that selfishness is wrong that is misguided.
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
    No; it is the view that selfishness is wrong that is misguided.
    It's nice to see you back on TSR!

    Poor Margaret Thatcher passed on
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    (Original post by a729)
    It's nice to see you back on TSR!

    Poor Margaret Thatcher passed on
    It's a terrible shame; she was the last British politician to really understand the importance of free markets and a free people.
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
    It's a terrible shame; she was the last British politician to really understand the importance of free markets and a free people.

    There is hope via UKIP though..
    Though her biggest failures was not leaving the EU
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    (Original post by a729)
    There is hope via UKIP though..
    Though her biggest failures was not leaving the EU
    I'd say her biggest failure was adhering to monetarism and not abolishing the Bank of England entirely and adopting a gold standard, but the EU would definitely be her second-worst failing. Third-worst, I would say, is that she didn't go nearly far enough in rolling back the state; privatising the NHS and social security, cutting taxes and spending down to the bone.

    In spite of these errors, she's still the greatest PM of all time in my view.
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
    I'd say her biggest failure was adhering to monetarism and not abolishing the Bank of England entirely and adopting a gold standard, but the EU would definitely be her second-worst failing. Third-worst, I would say, is that she didn't go nearly far enough in rolling back the state; privatising the NHS and social security, cutting taxes and spending down to the bone.

    In spite of these errors, she's still the greatest PM of all time in my view.
    Adopting a Gold standard would be brilliant but it would upset the US a lot! Though Brown sold almost all our gold at rock bottom prices in early 2000s

    Some critics say Mrs T used unemployment as a weapon to lower prices via reduced demand.
    I agree with you about the welfare state- she shouldn't have abandoned cutting spending in real terms.

    Ironically the tax burden actually increased under her- it just moved from income to consumption.
    VAT was only 8% when she came into power!

    Yes and she was the economic Churchill saving us from socialism!
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    (Original post by pandabird)
    Do you lack basic knowledge and logic? Go read some developmental literature for a start. If you're still completely ignorant, go do some placements in schools in poor areas.

    And secondly, the idea that everyone should be wealthy and it's a failing if you aren't is absolutely ridiculous. Our society is dependent on the working class, we'd be lost without them. What use would a society consisting of only rich professionals be?
    The highest earning 1% of Britons contribute around 1/3 of all Income tax, just have a think about that for a minute.

    And no I won't go teach in poor schools, I have better things to do like gain work experince so that I can be that 1% and hey pay for everyone else I guess.
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    (Original post by Hackett)
    The highest earning 1% of Britons contribute around 1/3 of all Income tax, just have a think about that for a minute.

    And no I won't go teach in poor schools, I have better things to do like gain work experince so that I can be that 1% and hey pay for everyone else I guess.
    That says more about the ridiculous wealth of some people really doesn't it.
    Ignorance really is bliss then isn't it? You don't want to know, you just want to keep your blinded views.
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    (Original post by pandabird)
    That says more about the ridiculous wealth of some people really doesn't it.
    Ignorance really is bliss then isn't it? You don't want to know, you just want to keep your blinded views.
    How am I being ignorant exactly? I just have a differnet view of the world than you, that doesn't mean i'm ignorant.
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    (Original post by Hackett)
    How am I being ignorant exactly? I just have a differnet view of the world than you, that doesn't mean i'm ignorant.
    Because you don't want to consider what it's like for other people, for children to be born into a deprived environment. You just scoffed at the idea, you don't want to waste your time gaining some understanding, you'd rather spend your time striving to be the top 1% of earners.
    That's all very good, but it is a bit ignorant. You don't know, and you don't want to.
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    (Original post by pandabird)
    Because you don't want to consider what it's like for other people, for children to be born into a deprived environment. You just scoffed at the idea, you don't want to waste your time gaining some understanding, you'd rather spend your time striving to be the top 1% of earners.
    That's all very good, but it is a bit ignorant. You don't know, and you don't want to.
    Would you not concede that it is important that we have people like he/she in question as they help drive our country onwards and upwards as a result of attempting to strive to make personal gains.
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    Would you not concede that it is important that we have people like he/she in question as they help drive our country onwards and upwards as a result of attempting to strive to make personal gains.
    Yes, I did say it's all very good that he's like that. But that doesn't make him any less ignorant, or any nicer of a person.
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    (Original post by pandabird)
    Because you don't want to consider what it's like for other people, for children to be born into a deprived environment. You just scoffed at the idea, you don't want to waste your time gaining some understanding, you'd rather spend your time striving to be the top 1% of earners.
    That's all very good, but it is a bit ignorant. You don't know, and you don't want to.
    Perfect example of what is currently wrong with the the majoirty of the UKs mindset, shown right here.

    Not wanting others to succeed or be prosperous.
 
 
 
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