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    (Original post by Hal.E.Lujah)
    My personal opinion on it is that we're going to be swamped in complete and utter rubbish to make Maggie seem like some sort of martyr, when regardless of her policies she's just an old lady who died. I'd rather nobody had tried to celebrate her death (especially the cabinet and their weird glorification despite making it clear they think she had bad policies) and she'd just been left to die quietly, but now that it's happening and there's the choice between letting some messed up hero worship happen or singing about it, I'm going to damn well sing.
    There will be an absolutely frenzy in the media about this so I think you're right in that she will be portrayed as a martyr being perpetually denigrated by the 'sickening' left (or do I mean champagne socialists? It seems to have become synonymous amongst members of the right - there's evidence of it already in this thread).
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    It is disgusting. This was a sick old woman suffering from dementia and several strokes. Is there no respect for the dead anymore? She has been out of office for 20 years, the 'celebration' should have been done when she left not when she died.
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    People claim to dislike her because she abandoned compassion in her decision-making, and then show absolutely no compassion themselves. No one seems to care about the two people who have to spend weeks reading about the people partying over their mother's death and who will have to face the inevitable funeral-crashers.

    People hate her because she broke decades of willing delusion and associated decline by turning on the people who wanted a life the country couldn't afford to pay for. It's not Thatcher's fault that mining had become uneconomical. We may as well prop up swordsmiths and horse and cart salesmen with government money.

    I was happy when Gordon Brown left office. I think he was misguided and power-hungry, but in the end he probably did care about his country. Regardless, I won't celebrate his death 20 years after he leaves politics. As someone above says - it was fine to celebrate when she left office. To celebrate her death is pathetic and disgusting (and I bet it's mainly students who weren't even alive in the Thatcher years).
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    (Original post by nebelbon)
    It is disgusting. This was a sick old woman suffering from dementia and several strokes. Is there no respect for the dead anymore? She has been out of office for 20 years, the 'celebration' should have been done when she left not when she died.
    But then the song wouldn't have fitted the purpose.
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    (Original post by Namige)
    But then the song wouldn't have fitted the purpose.
    There is no need for a song at all. I'm surprised the socialists have the money to purchase the song because they are never working if all they do is hold despicable protests.
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    I don't think the blinkered and bigoted left want to get the Maggie thing cluttered up with facts. They're far too dim and eternally entrenched in the land of make believe, and their fantasies about 'wicked witches' (how ironic) to understand that their fairy land doesn't exist and never did, and neither does a Socialist Utopia anywhere in the world.

    It all comes down to the fact that they aren't man enough to accept that they were totally out thought and out fought by a woman, who reclaimed the country from mob rule by the trades union movement.

    If they enjoy living on hatred and bile, that is their problem. It is a shame that their bigotry blinds them to the truth that it was the likes of them and their ilk that so nearly ruined the country, and did badly damage our industries and cause massive unemployment.

    What a good job THE COUNTRY elected someone - THREE TIMES - who had the guts to stand up to them...
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    I don't think the blinkered and bigoted left want to get the Maggie thing cluttered up with facts. They're far too dim and eternally entrenched in the land of make believe, and their fantasies about 'wicked witches' (how ironic) to understand that their fairy land doesn't exist and never did, and neither does a Socialist Utopia anywhere in the world.

    It all comes down to the fact that they aren't man enough to accept that they were totally out thought and out fought by a woman, who reclaimed the country from mob rule by the trades union movement.

    If they enjoy living on hatred and bile, that is their problem. It is a shame that their bigotry blinds them to the truth that it was the likes of them and their ilk that so nearly ruined the country, and did badly damage our industries and cause massive unemployment.

    What a good job THE COUNTRY elected someone - THREE TIMES - who had the guts to stand up to them...
    Really strange how it seems she was so hated by many, yet was elected three times consecutively.
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    I think they should play it, it wouldn't be in the charts if the majority didn't want to hear it. It's no more offensive than having to listen to Nicki Minaj for example. I least you guarantee 57 seconds in which your ears won't bleed.
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    (Original post by Namige)
    Really strange how it seems she was so hated by many, yet was elected three times consecutively.
    Because all those in the Midlands and the South East, that kept voting her back in, absolutely loved her.

    Those that hate her are just a minority of northern Communists, stuck in the past, the same as all their industries were after Labour had nationalised them all.

    It was all that nationalisation that left them screwed, not Thatcher, she just turned off the gravy train because there was no money left after Old Labour had pissed it all up the wall (sound familiar).

    But make no mistake, those industries were basket cases way beyond repair.

    Example, British Leyland a complete joke and a national embarrassment so bad they can still make jokes about the Marina on Top Gear, and get away with it, to this day.
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    Because all those in the Midlands and the South East, that kept voting her back in, absolutely loved her.

    Those that hate her are just a minority of northern Communists, stuck in the past, the same as all their industries were after Labour had nationalised them all.

    It was all that nationalisation that left them screwed, not Thatcher, she just turned off the gravy train because there was no money left after Old Labour had pissed it all up the wall (sound familiar).

    But make no mistake, those industries were basket cases way beyond repair.

    Example, British Leyland a complete joke and a national embarrassment so bad they can still make jokes about the Marina on Top Gear, and get away with it, to this day.
    99% of the North and Scotland hate her.
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    (Original post by Namige)
    Really strange how it seems she was so hated by many, yet was elected three times consecutively.
    Well, her results weren't quite as overwhelming as the number of seats might suggest, she never had a majority of the electorate.

    1979 - she won 43.9% of the vote.
    1983 - 42.4% - but a big increase in seats!
    1987 - 42.2%

    Obviously Labour got much lower percentages, but she (like Tony Blair after her who also won big) never had a majority vote. So it's kind of easy to picture that most people could still be against her even whilst having a big Parliamentary majority.
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    Why can't they just play it, because people have legitimately bought it, but just be sensitive and not make a fuss. For example "and now at number 7, "Ding dong the witch is dead" *play it* *straight away play number 6* and that was bla bla bla at number 6, now lets talk rubbish about the number 5 for a little while" because people could start complaining about many songs being played otherwise, it would set a precedent to not play it. They don't have to mention Thatcher, they don't have to make a big deal about it.
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    If nothing else, this phenomenon is giving those outside the UK an interesting insight into the British psyche...
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    (Original post by benevansben)
    I'm not old enough to comment on her policies or whether she was a 'great' prime minister
    I honestly do not understand this argument.

    I've seen this sentence or a synonymous one all over TSR. It seems like it is based on taking the high road in claiming that everyone's opinion on Thatcher who was born after her time is obsolete.

    Are we not aloud to judge Haig's tactics at Somme? Henry Tudor's justice? Caligula's sanity?

    Anyone can make an informed judgement irrespective of living at the time of the event. Sure, it helps, but to rule out the authority that someone has on deciding on what is right and wrong is silly.

    You then go on to give your opinion regardless that you are pro-Thatcher because "she is one of the most famous PMs". - infamous*. Isn't a strong point.

    Finally, you rightly say "I wonder what the future generations will think when they look back at this period". But of course, their opinion won't matter.
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    (Original post by TM94)
    99% of the North and Scotland hate her.
    Actually 49% of the north think she was overall a good prime minister vs 35% thinking overall bad (with the remainder being 'average', or 'don't know'). In Scotland these figures are 30% vs 44%

    42% of the north think that Thatcher was good for Britain and 41% bad (with the remainder being 'neither good/bad', or 'don't know'). In Scotland these figures are 34% vs 41%

    The north and Scotland is relatively in line with the rest of the country when you look at the percentage of those who say that her greatest achievement was defeating the miners strike and limiting the power of the unions (27% and 29% vs a UK average of 27.6)

    Strange also that in no region whatsoever did people judge her overseeing mining and manufacturing to be her worst failure compared to the poll tax...

    http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net...acy-130409.pdf

    Funny how people are voting when they are free to say what they really feel in these anonymous internet polls when they aren't being judged as a traitor to the north by their family, friends or anyone who might be in earshot...
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    The Witch.
    The Wicked Witch of the East.
    The East = Communism

    Therefore Thatcher is Dorothy

    Thanks for that QT
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    It all comes down to the fact that they aren't man enough to accept that they were totally out thought and out fought by a woman, who reclaimed the country from mob rule by the trades union movement.
    Criticism towards Thatcher has absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman. It is incidental. People hated her because of the strife she brought to the unions, not because of some sexist prejudice. It's rather disappointing to see such a low blow.

    I agree it would be refreshing to have such a passionate and dedicated politician today, but one who fought for the good things in our nation - not the greed, intolerance and cold-heartedness of the Conservative approach in Thatcherism.
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    (Original post by Mr Faust)
    Criticism towards Thatcher has absolutely nothing to do with her being a woman. It is incidental. People hated her because of the strife she brought to the unions, not because of some sexist prejudice. It's rather disappointing to see such a low blow.

    I agree it would be refreshing to have such a passionate and dedicated politician today, but one who fought for the good things in our nation - not the greed, intolerance and cold-heartedness of the Conservative approach in Thatcherism.
    The way I'm writing this this gives no implication at all that it has anything to do with her being a woman.

    It all comes down to the fact that they aren't man enough to accept that they were totally out thought and out fought by a woman, who reclaimed the country from mob rule by the trades union movement.
    The comma indicates a natural pause.

    cf "It all comes down to the fact that they aren't man enough to accept that they were totally out thought and out fought by a woman. A woman who reclaimed the country from mob rule by the trades union movement."
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    The way I'm writing this this gives no implication at all that it has anything to do with her being a woman.



    The comma indicates a natural pause.

    cf "It all comes down to the fact that they aren't man enough to accept that they were totally out thought and out fought by a woman. A woman who reclaimed the country from mob rule by the trades union movement."
    Oh, I'm very sorry. I thought you were touching upon the argument which is going around and all the emphasis of her being the first female PM and the struggle it took to break down gender prejudice. It's quite ubiquitous at the moment, see. Also, your emphasis on them not being "man enough", the repetition of "woman" and the odd caesura which on face value (having a rather large face) constructs two sentences which subject Thatcher on being a "woman".

    But if that wasn't your argument, I'm sorry.
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    (Original post by Mr Faust)
    Oh, I'm very sorry. I thought you were touching upon the argument which is going around and all the emphasis of her being the first female PM and the struggle it took to break down gender prejudice. It's quite ubiquitous at the moment, see. Also, your emphasis on them not being "man enough", the repetition of "woman" and the odd caesura which on face value (having a rather large face) constructs two sentences which subject Thatcher on being a "woman".

    But if that wasn't your argument, I'm sorry.
    All sorted then
 
 
 
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