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    (Original post by MasterSnake)
    Hey, thanks for responding.

    Sadly I've accepted the case that it is true- regardless of the guy who ranted at me and claimed he had 90%, I was lazy and it was all my fault. The system is perfect according to him. (That one really touched a nerve with me, especially considering he's a standing example of uni's having different standards)

    Regardless, I managed a 2.1, in my first year and got pretty messed up in my second year where I flopped 3 modules rather hard, and 1 in my 3rd year (all functional programming related), and it's just been hard to recover ever since.

    Job hunting it is sadly, I've applied to a few of the firms that do accept 2.2's, like Jaguar Land Rover, Unilever etc. Jaguar turned me down, still waiting on the others. Fingers crossed anyway! Any smaller companies anyone could suggest?
    Try BAE Systems. They are not small lol but they have some jobs open for 2:2. You'll need to look hard though because they have about 50 different graduate programs and maybe 10 of them accept 2:2. Also try lots of the engineering firms such as Dialog Semiconductor. If you want IT, you could try the smaller Software houses, especially startups. Startups don't really care if you have a 2:2 but are really passionate and dedicated to their cause.

    And if you want more info, just Google it. There are quite a few pages on exactly your problem (getting a 2:2). Some of them even have job ads on there.

    Finally, if you can still go back to your uni's careers office, do try that. They usually have job opportunities which as not mass advertised.
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    (Original post by MasterSnake)
    First off, don't say i'm trying to offend people when I'm really not. I at no point attempted to insult anyone. I feel you on the other hand are trying to insult me and I don't appreciate that. Writing comments like 'I, unlike yourself', seems like you're simply trying to take a stab at me. Sounds more like you have a chip on your shoulder about something. If you feel the need to simply be rude please don't read or bother responding to this.

    Regardless you're a standing example of what I mean. I'm not saying you didn't work hard. But nobody in the history of my course has scored a 90% average at my university. I accept you may be a clever person. You probably are. The highest average anyone's ever got is 82%, does that not seem ridiculous? I'm at a very old university which has been teaching Computer Science for well over 20 years. Unless you're some sort of prodigy would you not agree there's something up there?


    And what I mean by my friends going to lower ranked universities getting 2.1's doing much easier work, is that I'm about to get a 2.2. They are less able than me (hence why I have to help them so much, I did not say that help detracted me from my own studies). Yet they're on track for a 2.1, having generally much lower grade boundaries. I don't know what's hard to understand about that.
    Firstly, I would like to clarify: I said you stand to offend some people, not that you are trying to offend.

    When I said 'I, unlike yourself' that read exactly how it was meant to.
    Doing Maths, I am doing a subject where 100% is an attainable grade, so people getting 90% is possible. However, before you come back again with this tripe of it simply being a hallmark of a lower institution, I have a friend doing PPE in Oxford, who got 100% on some of his papers, and another friend who got 100% in a Latin exam in Warwick.

    Whilst not a chip on my shoulder, I do get incensed when I read comments from people like you who seem to think that the name of the institution should come before the grade itself - 2:1s and Firsts are hard to get, regardless of where you got them, and should be respected as such.

    I am not a prodigy, I just work very hard.
    I have always had an interest in maths, and enjoy studying it, but including lectures, I easily put in 50 hours of work a week, so I genuinely think I deserve my marks, and they are not a sign of a lower ranked university (Should a 72 look better on a CV against a 94 simply because 94s at 'good' universities are unheard of?)

    As a side note, I'd be concerned if I was a 'friend' of yours, you don't seem very supportive - they are probably very proud of the results they got, and would be upset if they felt you were trying to take that away from them.
    You didn't get a 2:1, so you're taking credit for other peoples.

    Put that on your CV. "I may have only got a 2:2, but I did help others get a 2:1"

    The grade boundaries are universal:

    70 + - First
    60 - 69 - 2:1
    50 - 59 - 2:2
    40 - 49 - 3rd
    34 - 39 - Pass
    < 34 - Fail

    Whilst the exams are set and marked by universities themselves, they are sent off and checked (at least mine are, anyway) and made sure they are up to scratch, otherwise they could give away firsts to everyone, their ranking would improve, and no-one would care.

    You'll leave with a 2:2, it's better to accept this and focus on other aspects you have which will make you employable (being whiny and blaming the system for your misgivings maybe not)
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    A degree classification is not the end of the world. Yes, it may limit some job applications due to them having a cut-off point, but there are still plenty out there that accept a lower classification.

    Degree classification is just the first step when completing a job app. What about the soft skills on your CV? Make those amazing
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    Watching the thread.

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    By any chance this lesser university isn't Nottingham Trent?
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    (Original post by ekudamram)
    Firstly, I would like to clarify: I said you stand to offend some people, not that you are trying to offend.

    When I said 'I, unlike yourself' that read exactly how it was meant to.
    Doing Maths, I am doing a subject where 100% is an attainable grade, so people getting 90% is possible. However, before you come back again with this tripe of it simply being a hallmark of a lower institution, I have a friend doing PPE in Oxford, who got 100% on some of his papers, and another friend who got 100% in a Latin exam in Warwick.

    Whilst not a chip on my shoulder, I do get incensed when I read comments from people like you who seem to think that the name of the institution should come before the grade itself - 2:1s and Firsts are hard to get, regardless of where you got them, and should be respected as such.

    I am not a prodigy, I just work very hard.
    I have always had an interest in maths, and enjoy studying it, but including lectures, I easily put in 50 hours of work a week, so I genuinely think I deserve my marks, and they are not a sign of a lower ranked university (Should a 72 look better on a CV against a 94 simply because 94s at 'good' universities are unheard of?)

    As a side note, I'd be concerned if I was a 'friend' of yours, you don't seem very supportive - they are probably very proud of the results they got, and would be upset if they felt you were trying to take that away from them.
    You didn't get a 2:1, so you're taking credit for other peoples.

    Put that on your CV. "I may have only got a 2:2, but I did help others get a 2:1"

    The grade boundaries are universal:

    70 + - First
    60 - 69 - 2:1
    50 - 59 - 2:2
    40 - 49 - 3rd
    34 - 39 - Pass
    < 34 - Fail

    Whilst the exams are set and marked by universities themselves, they are sent off and checked (at least mine are, anyway) and made sure they are up to scratch, otherwise they could give away firsts to everyone, their ranking would improve, and no-one would care.

    You'll leave with a 2:2, it's better to accept this and focus on other aspects you have which will make you employable (being whiny and blaming the system for your misgivings maybe not)

    You clearly do have a chip on your shoulder about something. I've never heard such a rude and arrogant person in my life.

    Please stop watching this thread. Clearly the system is perfect in your eyes, and nothing is going to change that.

    I'm sure you're going to shine at interviews. Such a likable person...
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    Watching the thread.



    By any chance this lesser university isn't Nottingham Trent?
    Nope, though my tutor did tell me it might be an option to transfer there for my final term since it would easier to obtain the grades I wanted lol.
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    (Original post by Billton)
    A degree classification is not the end of the world. Yes, it may limit some job applications due to them having a cut-off point, but there are still plenty out there that accept a lower classification.

    Degree classification is just the first step when completing a job app. What about the soft skills on your CV? Make those amazing
    Thank you for your reply,

    It's true, the cut off point is just a bit frustrating that's all. Especially when there clearly are less able candidates applying who are considered over yourself.

    How do you really highlight your softskills - I mean I've got examples of team work I've been successful in the past with. However it just seems a bit lacking.
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    The NHS graduate scheme takes people with a 2.2, and they have a IT pathway.

    But I know how you feel, I could potentially end up with a 2.2 myself, I got a 3rd in first year and 2.2. in second year (pretty much did no work). So I need to buckle up and ace these final exams!
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    To be fair, in the majority of cases (at least the ones I've seen), the pre-requisite of a 2.1 is often coupled with a pre-requisite of a certain number of UCAS points from your top three A-levels, which is a proxy for screening by university. It is unlikely that the theoretical individual who got a 2.1 from london met will have met the UCAS recommendation, making your argument somewhat invalid.

    Another point to remember is that your university degree is only one component of your application and what recruiters make their decisions on. If you are relying on your grades alone to get a job then you are likely to be unsuccessful anyway. Additionally, even with the UCAS points and 2.1 restrictions, the pool of potential applicants is still massive, and the pool of actual applicants is likely to significantly exceed their recruitment needs. They don't need to spend the additional time and money sifting through the applications of people with 2.2's in the hope they might possibly find a gem in the coal. And even if they do, they still need to answer the question of why this brilliant individual only got a 2.2, with the answer often being a negative factor that reduces their chances of being hired.

    Getting a 2.1 should be the number one priority when it comes to university. If you neglect this priority in order to socialise, get involved in societies/sport/student politics etc., or for any other reason, then you are doing university wrong. It really shouldn't be a surprise to students who graduate with a 2.2 that this filters you out when applying to graduate schemes, those who are likely to be successful in what is currently an extremely competitive jobs market will be working towards this next step well before they graduate.
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    (Original post by Waterstorm)
    The NHS graduate scheme takes people with a 2.2, and they have a IT pathway.

    But I know how you feel, I could potentially end up with a 2.2 myself, I got a 3rd in first year and 2.2. in second year (pretty much did no work). So I need to buckle up and ace these final exams!
    Sadly I've already missed the deadline for that one. Will be sure to apply this year if nothing comes along by then.

    Good luck anyway. =D
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    (Original post by thegaffer91)
    To be fair, in the majority of cases (at least the ones I've seen), the pre-requisite of a 2.1 is often coupled with a pre-requisite of a certain number of UCAS points from your top three A-levels, which is a proxy for screening by university. It is unlikely that the theoretical individual who got a 2.1 from london met will have met the UCAS recommendation, making your argument somewhat invalid.

    Another point to remember is that your university degree is only one component of your application and what recruiters make their decisions on. If you are relying on your grades alone to get a job then you are likely to be unsuccessful anyway. Additionally, even with the UCAS points and 2.1 restrictions, the pool of potential applicants is still massive, and the pool of actual applicants is likely to significantly exceed their recruitment needs. They don't need to spend the additional time and money sifting through the applications of people with 2.2's in the hope they might possibly find a gem in the coal. And even if they do, they still need to answer the question of why this brilliant individual only got a 2.2, with the answer often being a negative factor that reduces their chances of being hired.

    Getting a 2.1 should be the number one priority when it comes to university. If you neglect this priority in order to socialise, get involved in societies/sport/student politics etc., or for any other reason, then you are doing university wrong. It really shouldn't be a surprise to students who graduate with a 2.2 that this filters you out when applying to graduate schemes, those who are likely to be successful in what is currently an extremely competitive jobs market will be working towards this next step well before they graduate.
    You are correct, a 2.1 should be the number 1 priority. And for me it was- I just struggled a lot with 3/4 compulsory modules back in my 2nd year and it's been hard to recover ever since.

    Although some schemes do have the UCAS requirement, many don't and just have the 2.1 requirement - also the UCAS requirements are rather low, allowing things like 280 points. I had to get 320 for my uni minimum.

    I totally understand it from the point of view of companies though. It's a buyers market.
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    (Original post by ekudamram)
    Don't quite know why that's relevant. I myself go to what you would consider a lower class university (Not in the top 50) - yet that is through choice.
    I had offers from Bristol, Warwick, UCL (Got an interview at Oxford, was pooled, unfortunately though, that was all she wrote) - all very good institutions, yet I chose to go to a University close to home - this may not be the case with your friends, but I imagine you stand to offend people who read this by insinuating that people who go to a lower ranked university don't deserve the opportunities they have over you, simply because you go to a wealthier institution.

    I, unlike yourself, am averaging 90% across my modules, and am looking at getting a first. I worked damn hard for that, and I deserve it.
    It sounds like you didn't work, and so if you are clever enough to get a 2:1 or above, you deserve the grade you get, for not putting the effort in, which is what employers will see. They don't want to employ someone with good A levels, but no work ethic.
    They want people who are educated, and will work hard, something your friends can show they will do.

    So no, you are not screwed if you have a 2:2, many graduate schemes are open to those with desmonds. What will get you, is this 'woe is me' attitude you have. Hating on those who do better than you, despite you not seeing them as being 'worthy', or only having done as well because you helped them. If that really is the case, you should make sure that you have done all your own work before helping them with theirs - again, something employers will want to see.

    /rant.
    I agree with you! I would give you rep but i'm out of it today.
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    (Original post by Annuhlees)
    I agree with you! I would give you rep but i'm out of it today.
    So you also agree the system is perfect? If you read the whole thread you'll see there are some very valid points to different universities inflating their grades. This member however feels that everything is perfect, and hates anyone who points out flaws in the system just because it's worked for him.

    Probably the nastiest member I've met on this forum, incredibly condescending and simply rude.
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    (Original post by MasterSnake)
    Hello all,

    I go to the University of Nottingham and am about to complete my BSc (hons) Computer Science. However I'm probably going to get a 2.2 from the looks of things.

    I've looked around at jobs and it's really rather ridiculous. Companies don't seem to care what uni you're from, as long as you have a 2.1.

    I just don't understand this though- for instance I have a couple of friends who go to two much lower ranked universities than myself and are probably going to achieve their 2.1 in the same course. However throughout their standard of work has simply been easier.

    In fact I helped them a lot through their studies, not to mention it just doesn't make statistical sense. Considering unis all use averaging systems to state their grade boundaries, our which has much higher entry requirements than theirs will inevitably have higher boundaries no?

    I'd understand if there was a standardised measure of testing like A-levels where we all sit the same paper. However the grades are all rather arbitrary- so much so that I've had a lecturer tell me that they generally just look a bit of work, and give it a grade depending on their personal judgement. It's not as if there's even a rigid mark scheme.

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    On a side note, now that I am doomed with a 2.2, anybody know where I should go from here? It seems most of the large companies are out of the question, any recommendations?
    I tell you something, quickly. I went to my gym 2 months ago and was chilling in the Sauna room and had a long conversation with Computer Science graduate from University of Sheffield who was Software Developer and he told me that the programming work that you do at uni is nothing compared to when working in the industry so you learning all over again when you get a programming job.

    My advice would be to gain as much experience as possible via internship, volunteering, work experience or something on those lines. Most IT jobs prefer experience. Look for IT support roles as well even if its first line and is around £15,000. Afterwards you can use that experience to get higher paying job. That is my advice.

    Edited: Just because you got a 2.2 degree at Nottingham University, don't complain about others getting 2.1 at lower ranked university and that 2.1 filter is unfair. You not the only one in this position but complaining about others getting 2.1 degree from lower university shouldn't be on your mind. It still doesn't change a fact that you got a 2.2, so it either be more proactive or retake some modules in hopes of getting 2.1.
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    A mate got a 2:2 in Computer Science (bear in mind I'm at York) and got a job at a computer company called Sophos. Think he's doing quite well. he's not the only person I know with a 2:2 and a job - someone else works on the Tesco grad scheme (2:2 in economics). Good luck!
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    Not if you're Jewish.

    p.s. ffs do not neg me I'm being serious, being Jewish is a career boost and it's a fact.
    so true. I'd have a decent shot at going into IB if I was from london met AND jewish.
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    Having spoken to quite a few graduate recruiters they've all said the same thing regardless, even with a 2:1 you're only in a pool of thousands of others with a 2:1. The thing they all said that made you stand out was having placement experience at a big firm.
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    (Original post by MasterSnake)
    Thank you for your reply,

    It's true, the cut off point is just a bit frustrating that's all. Especially when there clearly are less able candidates applying who are considered over yourself.

    How do you really highlight your softskills - I mean I've got examples of team work I've been successful in the past with. However it just seems a bit lacking.
    It's all about displaying those in your application and interview. Are you a good team player? Can you follow instructions, but use your initiative when appropriate? Are you committed to your career path?
    I attend MMU, a low ranked Uni by TSR standards, but the institution is fantastic in supporting its students by improving their CVs. They run a scheme called "MMU Futures" which offers voluntary work, leadership workshops, language classes and programmes to help build up your CV. For example I've registered for IT Envy (where you can achieve Microsoft accredited certificates), a mentoring scheme, and I'm also going to take beginners Spanish (once I've sorted out my dates before graduation!). All these things would be highlighted in interviews and provide the basis of a discussion focussing on all the soft skills that employers are looking for.
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    I'd be happy to take a look at your CVs for a role I'm working on filling in my team.

    I need someone with a technical background, some level of HTML, CSS & Javascript skill and decent with numbers. If you can manipulate photoshop that would be a bonus.

    You'd be working on three things primarily: implementation web analytics tools like Google Analytics, reporting/analysing data and building/optimising webpages.

    drop me an email: carl.fernandes [@] iprospect.com if you're interested. Salary £19K and based in Great Portland Street.


    FYI. I got a 2:2 and things worked out great - so don't give up
 
 
 
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