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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    I fundamentally disagree with this. Everything in life is art, it's seeing it for the art it is that counts. Go outside and look around it's all art. Some nature's art, some the art of humans. Some intentional, most unintentional.
    Art is fundamentally objective, right? "look around it's all art." Everything is art. Thus, the very idea of an artist is pointless because whatever they (and anyone and anything) do it will be artistic.
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    Nonsense. Science cannot exist without imagination.
    Not all imagination is art.

    Thus,

    science can exist without art.

    Btw, the bolded bit does not make any sense.
    The syntax is correct, it makes sense.

    If Science cannot exist without imagination, then surely something created the science?

    Art is creation.
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    (Original post by Kat_woman)
    No you're just mincing words in an attempt to sound superior.
    Prove me wrong then using the tools of reason. You have not replied to anything that I said but just dismissed my words.
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    I think you're making a bit of a generalisation.
    I agree that there's some artists who are completely over the top and and only do what they do for attention, but then, as someone else mentioned, there's other artists who make artwork for themselves as a form of self expression. If they're not showing their work off, and making it purely for shows, the media, etc. how are they attention seeking?


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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    Prove me wrong then using the tools of reason. You have not replied to anything that I said but just dismissed my words.
    Because your argument makes no sense. "Artists are attention seekers. Discuss" That's effectively what you've done. A debate generally works by you at least giving some context to the thing :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Faberry)
    The syntax is correct, it makes sense.

    If Science cannot exist without imagination, then surely something created the science?

    Art is creation.
    Science cannot exist without imagination.
    Science exists.
    Thus,
    imagination exists.

    Art is irrelevant here unless you can show me that art and imagination are the same thing.
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    (Original post by Emily115)
    I think you're making a bit of a generalisation.
    I agree that there's some artists who are completely over the top and and only do what they do for attention, but then, as someone else mentioned, there's other artists who make artwork for themselves as a form of self expression. If they're not showing their work off, and making it purely for shows, the media, etc. how are they attention seeking?


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    The user who said that got a reply few posts below. Check it.
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    Art is fundamentally objective, right? "look around it's all art." Everything is art. Thus, the very idea of an artist is pointless because whatever they (and anyone and anything) do it will be artistic.
    Yes, if it's viewed with the right mindsight. However some art is better. The ability for art to be better than other art means it is far from pointless.
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    The user who said that got a reply few posts below. Check it.
    Yeah, what's your point? You've started a thread asking people to discuss whether artists are attention seekers & I gave you my opinion..


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    (Original post by Kat_woman)
    Because your argument makes no sense. "Artists are attention seekers. Discuss" That's effectively what you've done. A debate generally works by you at least giving some context to the thing :rolleyes:
    1. If you can't discuss something in the absence of some guidelines I can't help you.

    2. "Because your argument makes no sense. "Artists are attention seekers. Discuss" That's effectively what you've done." That is not an argument. Can't you differentiate between topic and argument? I have given a broad statement to give people freedom to start from there. When you replied to me, I gave you an argument tailored to you which you have not tackled yet.

    3. This is a discussion not a debate. Please make you sure you know the difference before using the words.
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    Yes, if it's viewed with the right mindsight. However some art is better. The ability for art to be better than other art means it is far from pointless.
    The criteria under which some forms of art are better than others is totally subjective.
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    1. If you can't discuss something in the absence of some guidelines I can't help you.

    2. "Because your argument makes no sense. "Artists are attention seekers. Discuss" That's effectively what you've done." That is not an argument. Can't you differentiate between topic and argument? I have given a broad statement to give people freedom to start from there. When you replied to me, I gave you an argument tailored to you which you have not tackled yet.

    3. This is a discussion not a debate. Please make you sure you know the difference before using the words.
    1 I can discuss something fine but you aren't making your argument clear.

    2 Again I can differentiate fine it;s your argument that is non existent :rolleyes:

    3 Semantics.

    Unless you come up with a valid point, people aren't going to be able to have a discussion with you.
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    The criteria under which some forms of art are better than others is totally subjective.
    Not totally but mainly subjective, which allows such a diverse amount of art and allows such a contribution to our society.
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    (Original post by Emily115)
    Yeah, what's your point? You've started a thread asking people to discuss whether artists are attention seekers & I gave you my opinion..


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    My point? I just asked people to discuss something. You gave me your opinion and I gave you mine.
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    Are you maybe confusing attention seekers with narcissists?
    They want attention to their work, so obviously.
    But are they narcissistic? Some of them yea, but we scientists aren't much different
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    Pretty much all human beings are attention seekers. It's just that a lot of us are smart enough to not be too obvious and annoying about it.
    Quite often I seek attention up to the point I get it, then I want everyone to look away .
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    Art is irrelevant here unless you can show me that art and imagination are the same thing.
    Google is a great friend, and verifies my point:

    "Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability to form new images and sensations that are not perceived through sight, hearing, or other senses"

    Therefore, imagination is creation. Creation stems from creativity (in the form of imagination, for example), which results in art, be it an embryo or painting.
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    (Original post by Kat_woman)
    1 I can discuss something fine but you aren't making your argument clear.

    2 Again I can differentiate fine it;s your argument that is non existent :rolleyes:

    3 Semantics.

    Unless you come up with a valid point, people aren't going to be able to have a discussion with you.
    1. My argument is quite clear: art is not that important to society. Maybe you can't understand this?

    2. My argument is quite clear: art is not that important to society. See my argument again.

    3. Fair enough. I will repeat it again: State your views on the question: "Are artists attention seekers?".
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    (Original post by I am Ace)
    Are you maybe confusing attention seekers with narcissists?
    They want attention to their work, so obviously.
    But are they narcissistic? Some of them yea, but we scientists aren't much different
    Fair enough.
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    This is not directly relevant, just a comment: At least scientists make an actual contribution to society.
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    1. My argument is quite clear: art is not that important to society. Maybe you can't understand this?

    2. My argument is quite clear: art is not that important to society. See my argument again.

    3. Fair enough. I will repeat it again: State your views on the question: "Are artists attention seekers?".
    But you're just saying it without explaining it or backing it up. You're just regurgitating a load of bullet points instead of making it into a debate, or discussion.

    But anyway, art is very important to society. Art helps create and shape the world we live in, and it is a form of self expression. Art is almost magical, it;s the ability to create something out of purely your own head. Science just discovers. Art creates.
 
 
 
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