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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    Because everywhere in the UK here's a small minority that don't feel like everybody else and like to build on differences and not common ground.
    well said
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    The thing is that many people do think it's broke :l

    But then think about it, Scotland is 99% labour, Lib dem and SNP, all are left wing parties. However they are being ruled by a right wing conservative government which hardly any of them voted for. You can see how this is hard to swallow for the majority of the Scottish public, being ruled by a party that you have never voted for.
    I think the whole UK parliamentary system needs a shake up, it's a bit of a mess tbh. Welsh, scottish and NI Parliament, but no english? Seems a bit silly why not JUST have a britsh one
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    I like knowing that we're a United Kingdom with all these different cultures- Scottish, Welsh, (Northern) Irish, rather than just English and that's that.
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    GB is a small country. When you factor in that you have Wales and Scotland wanting to break off, it will become a tiny place. We'll all be living like sardines in a tin next.
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    (Original post by EvaUK)
    I think the whole UK parliamentary system needs a shake up, it's a bit of a mess tbh. Welsh, scottish and NI Parliament, but no english? Seems a bit silly why not JUST have a britsh one

    Well because political opinion is so polarised between the seperate nations.


    Scotland is generally in favor of left wing socialist governments.

    Whilst England is generally in favor of more right wing capitalistic governments.

    With Scotland being the smaller nation, they get outvoted every time in the British parliamentary elections and regardless of something like 98% of Scottish seats going to left wing parties, there is a right wing party governing them.
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    The thing is that many people do think it's broke :l

    But then think about it, Scotland is 99% labour, Lib dem and SNP, all are left wing parties. However they are being ruled by a right wing conservative government which hardly any of them voted for. You can see how this is hard to swallow for the majority of the Scottish public, being ruled by a party that you have never voted for.
    The South of England put up with it for many years with a Labour government. And unlike Scotland, it doesn't have it's own government.
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    (Original post by Psyk)
    The South of England put up with it for many years with a Labour government. And unlike Scotland, it doesn't have it's own government.

    Well sure, but the north of England voted labour in and there isn't a budding southern England independence moment thus it's largely irrelevant.

    I don't support Independance, I have a family member in the scottish socialists who is campaigned against his party for a no vote.
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    There seems to be so many english people who think we are all desperate to leave.. I actually dont know anybody who does. Everybody I've spoke to have said NO or are undecided. Nobody seems to trust Alex salmond
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    (Original post by wortandbeer)
    I am English, and I want the UK to break up. People will flame me, but we're entitled to our opinions.

    Think of it, England would be a G20 economy, have world class universities (Are Strathclyde or Glasgow high in the global league tables?), attract plenty of tourists (some may say London biases the figures, and granted it does, but it's not as if Windsor Castle or Stratford upon Avon are in London, is it?)

    I think more English people should openly support Scottish independence. I for one hold no real "nostalgia" for the UK, and frankly it was the English who laid the major initial building blocks of the British Empire (yeah.. the Scots founded the John and Royal African Companies, or fought the Dutch for the north American colonies lol..)

    The question is if English people are so wound up and concerned over the question of Scottish independence, and if it's a move which would drastically affect England, why aren't English people allowed to vote in 2014?
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    (Original post by perfectsymbology)
    GB is a small country. When you factor in that you have Wales and Scotland wanting to break off, it will become a tiny place. We'll all be living like sardines in a tin next.
    Where is there ground swell for Wales to break off?

    Plaid only have 22.4% of the vote.

    So we have 30% support for Scotland separating even though the SNP have 50% of the vote.

    We'll say that everybody who voted Plaid Cymru wants to separate so that's 22.4%.

    Recent polling in Northern Ireland shows that support for leaving the UK is down to about 20% of the vote. Interesting as the Catholic vote is about 50% and they're the ones that tend to want to leave (Sorry about teh stereotype.)

    UKIP has 25% of the vote.

    A recent poll on here asked about an independent London and that got 30% of the vote.

    That just tells me that 1 in 3 people are unhappy with what they've got and believe that making radical changes will somehow improve their lives.

    I'm sure if you asked the same questions in Cornwall, Yorkshire, Lancashire, West Midlands you'd get the same answer.

    From my own observations, about 1 in 3 people I know are inward looking, narrow minded people who only look at their immediate surroundings and don't understand anything outside of their comfort zone. I guess that's the 1 in 3 who support these separatist organizations.
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    (Original post by Scatach)
    Simply because I do not want this as our flag, I support Scotland remaining in the UK.
    A country can have it's flag however the hell it likes. There's nothing forcing us to change it even if Scotland did become independent.
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    I see more benefits to splitting up than staying together. For example it will mean a smaller military which hopefully results in a less aggressive foreign policy.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    So we have 30% support for Scotland separating even though the SNP have 50% of the vote.
    That's because everyone who is pro independence is voting whereas the majority doesn't. Less than 50% vote in Scottish parliamentary elections.
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    The thing is that many people do think it's broke :l

    But then think about it, Scotland is 99% labour, Lib dem and SNP, all are left wing parties. However they are being ruled by a right wing conservative government which hardly any of them voted for. You can see how this is hard to swallow for the majority of the Scottish public, being ruled by a party that you have never voted for.
    They just have to suck it up then, imo. I'm English, and voted Lib Dem in the 2010 general election (although I do regret that now, these days I'd vote Labour), and just because I didn't (entirely) get my way, I don't throw my toys out of the proverbial pram.

    I admit I don't know enough about the Scottish independence issue to make an informed judgement, but I can't imagine that this would be a deal breaker for them - after all, Scotland seems to have wanted rid of England for years - when Labour was in power.
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    (Original post by Snagprophet)
    That's because everyone who is pro independence is voting whereas the majority doesn't. Less than 50% vote in Scottish parliamentary elections.
    I think there's also an issue where SNP are hoovering up protest votes of disillusioned labour voters, regardless of their standing on the union.
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    Well sure, but the north of England voted labour in and there isn't a budding southern England independence moment thus it's largely irrelevant.
    I don't understand how that makes it irrelevant. They are both significantly large parts of the UK, both with fairly consistent voting habits, both of which potentially end up being ruled by a party with very little support there.

    Is it really that much to do with voting habits? If it were, then why wasn't there a push for independence for South England under the Labour government? I think the difference is that people already see a division between England and Scotland (and there's many obvious reasons why they would). If it weren't for that then the fact that they typically vote for different parties wouldn't be seen as a reason for independence. I think anti-union people have really already decided that's what they want, and are then using Scottish voting habits as a justification for that.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    We bankcrupted the country, lost an Empire, stopped Fascism and had 384K killed. I think it's deserved. Not withstanding teh fact that we're still one of teh largest economies in teh world. Not bad for a small Damp, Island nation.
    Only on past glories. We've been tacking downward militarily and economically since we gave back the colonies. Power and wealth are only ever gained by plundering them from elsewhere. For example, in the past 100 years our country has only grown for the following snake-oil-type/one-off reasons:
    - Rebuilding after the war(s)
    - North Sea oil
    - Property/financial services bubble

    Our current prominence in the world including our size of GDP are trading on preferential treatment for past glories rather than any real underlying strength or pluckiness. Britain is a dinosaur.
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    Im completely against scottish independence, for everyones sake, its just a bad idea. Alex Salmond is an idiot.
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    (Original post by Seahorseman)
    I see more benefits to splitting up than staying together. For example it will mean a smaller military which hopefully results in a less aggressive foreign policy.

    You may actually want to check which other nations were involved in Iraq and Libya. And you may want to check which other nations are involved in Afghanistan.
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    Only on past glories. We've been tacking downward militarily and economically since we gave back the colonies. Power and wealth are only ever gained by plundering them from elsewhere. For example, in the past 100 years our country has only grown for the following snake-oil-type/one-off reasons:
    - Rebuilding after the war(s)
    - North Sea oil
    - Property/financial services bubble

    Our current prominence in the world including our size of GDP are trading on preferential treatment for past glories rather than any real underlying strength or pluckiness. Britain is a dinosaur.

    Thats still a leading nation. You may want to get out a little. Better still, ask some of your international students. We're still rated as a world player by many other nations.

    It's just guardian readers who don't seem to think so.
 
 
 
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