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    (Original post by shakerist)
    If u dont mind me asking how old r u and any ncb? Have u tried Adrian Flux they are a specialist insurance company which deals with modified vehicles and would be much much cheaper than the usual insurance brokers, AA, RAC, AVIVA etc..

    http://www.adrianflux.co.uk/modified/ Give them a ring
    19 atm, will be 21 next august when I pick the car up. 1 years ncb.


    I am also a member of Pistonheads so I get a further discount from Adrian Flux, not done a quote with them yet though.
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    (Original post by shakerist)
    If u dont mind me asking how old r u and any ncb? Have u tried Adrian Flux they are a specialist insurance company which deals with modified vehicles and would be much much cheaper than the usual insurance brokers, AA, RAC, AVIVA etc..

    http://www.adrianflux.co.uk/modified/ Give them a ring
    lol @ Adrian Flux. Can almost guarantee the quotes they will be able to offer will be skyyyyyyyy high.

    Plenty more better modified brokers out there.
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    (Original post by Friggerpants)
    lol @ Adrian Flux. Can almost guarantee the quotes they will be able to offer will be skyyyyyyyy high.

    Plenty more better modified brokers out there.
    Just realised he said modified. If I go for the WR1 which is fav right now, it won't be modified to begin with if at all.. Even the R32 would be cosmetic only to begin with.

    So probably won't use them.
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    I'll also be buying a Subaru, Evo or Civic Type-R next year around summer time.
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    (Original post by h4mza)
    I'll also be buying a Subaru, Evo or Civic Type-R next year around summer time.
    Not a fan of the Civics and there is something about the Evo that I just can't like look wise.

    Would be the scooby out of those three for me.



    I have narrowed it down to 6 cars so far (may change in a years time though):

    Subaru Impreza STi WR1
    Subaru Impreza P1
    Nissan Skyline R34 Twin Turbo
    Nissan Skyline R33 Twin Turbo
    Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo
    Volkswagen Golf MK4 R32
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    (Original post by DotDotCurve)
    Not a fan of the Civics and there is something about the Evo that I just can't like look wise.

    Would be the scooby out of those three for me.



    I have narrowed it down to 6 cars so far (may change in a years time though):

    Subaru Impreza STi WR1
    Subaru Impreza P1
    Nissan Skyline R34 Twin Turbo
    Nissan Skyline R33 Twin Turbo
    Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo
    Volkswagen Golf MK4 R32
    Insurance will be a killer on those scoobys cos they are special editions. I'll be getting a classic shape or blobeye WRX STI. I also fancy the R33 GTR, they are quite cheap nowadays compared to R34 which is a little less than R35. The Fiat is probably the worst car from that list, I would think twice before adding it to the list. Would also recommend some JDM cars such Nissan Silvia, Toyota Supra or Mazda RX7.
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    (Original post by h4mza)
    Insurance will be a killer on those scoobys cos they are special editions. I'll be getting a classic shape or blobeye WRX STI. I also fancy the R33 GTR, they are quite cheap nowadays compared to R34 which is a little less than R35. The Fiat is probably the worst car from that list, I would think twice before adding it to the list. Would also recommend some JDM cars such Nissan Silvia, Toyota Supra or Mazda RX7.
    Considered Supras ad RX-7. Been in a supra, didn't really enjoy it and RX7 has the obvious mechanical issues.


    I get quoted £1000 for the year on the WR1. Reasonable to me.

    Edit: As for the 20V, there is just something that appeals to me. Again can't really explain it.
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    (Original post by DotDotCurve)
    Considered Supras ad RX-7. Been in a supra, didn't really enjoy it and RX7 has the obvious mechanical issues.


    I get quoted £1000 for the year on the WR1. Reasonable to me.

    Edit: As for the 20V, there is just something that appeals to me. Again can't really explain it.
    Yeah 20v fiat coupe got a sexy engine sound.
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    (Original post by DotDotCurve)
    Not a fan of the Civics and there is something about the Evo that I just can't like look wise.

    Would be the scooby out of those three for me.



    I have narrowed it down to 6 cars so far (may change in a years time though):

    Subaru Impreza STi WR1
    Subaru Impreza P1
    Nissan Skyline R34 Twin Turbo
    Nissan Skyline R33 Twin Turbo
    Fiat Coupe 20V Turbo
    Volkswagen Golf MK4 R32
    You are not getting a r34 GTR for <£10k........
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    Are you planning to do plenty of track days then?
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    (Original post by Friggerpants)
    You are not getting a r34 GTR for <£10k........
    There are dozens for sale in the classifieds for £7k-£10k with the odd crazy one priced at ~£20k.

    Edit: Just re-read. I was talking about the GTT not GTR.



    (Original post by Sam Walters)
    Are you planning to do plenty of track days then?
    Something i'll consider, but not in my immediate plans, don't really have time. Looking for an interesting weekend car which if forgiving on gas will become a daily driver.
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    (Original post by DotDotCurve)
    There are dozens for sale in the classifieds for £7k-£10k with the odd crazy one priced at ~£20k.

    Edit: Just re-read. I was talking about the GTT not GTR.





    Something i'll consider, but not in my immediate plans, don't really have time. Looking for an interesting weekend car which if forgiving on gas will become a daily driver.
    Trust me on this one. Unless its a status symbol having such a car and not being able to use it to its full potential its beyond frustrating! Having such a car as a status symbol makes you a bit of a tool!

    I had a 370bhp/tonne car. No way in hell it would ever be safe to open it up on a public road. No way. Ever.
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    (Original post by DotDotCurve)
    There are dozens for sale in the classifieds for £7k-£10k with the odd crazy one priced at ~£20k.

    Edit: Just re-read. I was talking about the GTT not GTR.

    Yep, and GTT's aren't twin turbo'd.

    The running costs associated with these are high as well.


    How about a ed30 golf? With a remap they're 300bhp, that's all you need really.

    Megane r26 if you want an excellent handling hatch but I understand its's everyone's cup of tea.
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    I used to own an Impreza P1 which I had de-catted and retuned to put out about 330bhp on the dyno. As standard I think the car had a 0-60 of 4.6s, and with the (illegal) big bore and retune it must have been touching 4s to 60 when used in anger. I loved the kick in the nuts that the turbo gave you when it got to about 3000rpm. Insurance wise with all the mods declared I was paying about 800 quid a year, but I was in my late 20's and had a decade of NCB to use. I dread to think what it would have cost someone at 21 with a year NCB. Prohibitive I would have thought.

    Things to bear in mind for your budget. The servicing and running costs for these cars is extreme. You will need far more than your budgeted 2-2.5k per year. In some years that will barely cover the servicing, let alone the petrol and other things. To put things in perspective, the P1 needed a service every 6 months. I never paid less than 300 quid for this from memory. There were two major services that needed doing whilst I owned the car, one of which cost me a shade under 1500 quid. Add to this the fact that your 150 pound each Pirelli tyres lasted about half a year, it did about 200 miles on 60 quids worth of petrol etc etc and you begin to get an idea of the costs involved. I ended up selling it because it was ruining me. Great fun - I took it to track days, went to car shows etc and have a lot of happy memories, but you need to be earning big money to run one of these.

    I think that if I were getting back into the performance car market, I would look to see if I could get an Audi RS4. A quick look on autotrader reveals you can get a decent one for about 12k in saloon or estate format. They are beasts and come with a lot of the refinement that the Japanese cars don't. Maybe it is because I am now in my 30's that I place a greater emphasis on heated seats and fancy pop out cup holders, but an RS4 wouldn't lose much if anything in a drag race with the cars you have mentioned, and also has a great reliability. The other thing is that it holds it's value much better. I paid 25k for my P1 with 800 miles on the clock and sold it 6 years later for just under 7k. Ouch. An Audi holds it's value far better, but then again you return to the insurance problem. 400bhp saloon for a 21 year old, good luck with that one.
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    Oh yeah, and the other thing to note is that the P1's had a bit of a reputation for the engines going bang. I used to be quite involved in the scene and knew of plenty of people who had had 2-3k engine rebuilds due to things going very wrong. These weren't necessarily at 7000rpm in 5th gear either. I would be very careful about buying a high mileage P1, and even more so buying one that didn't have a full dealer service history.
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    (Original post by Sam Walters)
    Trust me on this one. Unless its a status symbol having such a car and not being able to use it to its full potential its beyond frustrating! Having such a car as a status symbol makes you a bit of a tool!

    I had a 370bhp/tonne car. No way in hell it would ever be safe to open it up on a public road. No way. Ever.
    Its more about the feel of the car. I love the burbling. I also love the idea of having the power, but not having the need to use it in every day life.


    (Original post by Friggerpants)
    Yep, and GTT's aren't twin turbo'd.

    The running costs associated with these are high as well.


    How about a ed30 golf? With a remap they're 300bhp, that's all you need really.

    Megane r26 if you want an excellent handling hatch but I understand its's everyone's cup of tea.
    Yeah apologies. I was looking at R33 when I was typing about the R34 as well. Will check both of your other suggestions out as well.



    (Original post by Ironmike)
    I used to own an Impreza P1 which I had de-catted and retuned to put out about 330bhp on the dyno. As standard I think the car had a 0-60 of 4.6s, and with the (illegal) big bore and retune it must have been touching 4s to 60 when used in anger. I loved the kick in the nuts that the turbo gave you when it got to about 3000rpm. Insurance wise with all the mods declared I was paying about 800 quid a year, but I was in my late 20's and had a decade of NCB to use. I dread to think what it would have cost someone at 21 with a year NCB. Prohibitive I would have thought.

    Things to bear in mind for your budget. The servicing and running costs for these cars is extreme. You will need far more than your budgeted 2-2.5k per year. In some years that will barely cover the servicing, let alone the petrol and other things. To put things in perspective, the P1 needed a service every 6 months. I never paid less than 300 quid for this from memory. There were two major services that needed doing whilst I owned the car, one of which cost me a shade under 1500 quid. Add to this the fact that your 150 pound each Pirelli tyres lasted about half a year, it did about 200 miles on 60 quids worth of petrol etc etc and you begin to get an idea of the costs involved. I ended up selling it because it was ruining me. Great fun - I took it to track days, went to car shows etc and have a lot of happy memories, but you need to be earning big money to run one of these.

    I think that if I were getting back into the performance car market, I would look to see if I could get an Audi RS4. A quick look on autotrader reveals you can get a decent one for about 12k in saloon or estate format. They are beasts and come with a lot of the refinement that the Japanese cars don't. Maybe it is because I am now in my 30's that I place a greater emphasis on heated seats and fancy pop out cup holders, but an RS4 wouldn't lose much if anything in a drag race with the cars you have mentioned, and also has a great reliability. The other thing is that it holds it's value much better. I paid 25k for my P1 with 800 miles on the clock and sold it 6 years later for just under 7k. Ouch. An Audi holds it's value far better, but then again you return to the insurance problem. 400bhp saloon for a 21 year old, good luck with that one.

    Wouldn't be modifying it as that would cause the insurance to skyrocket. Most expensive quote I got from my selection was £1000 pa for the WR1. Affordable in my eyes.

    The £2-£2.5k is for petrol only, I have more budgeted for all other costs. Should have been clearer on that I think.


    Also see my first quote of this reply re insurance costs. Not at home so can't do quote, but do you reckon the Audi would vary much?
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    I really have no idea. Best to get a quote from the sites. The P1 was great, but just be warned, it, as with most of the cars you have listed is a complete money pit.
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    (Original post by JC.)
    The quick Japanese stuff is and probably always will be amongst the dearest vehicles to insure. That's just the reality of owning something like that. I suspect it's likely because they hang on long after most things have let go at the back. The consequence being the crash that follows is at a higher speed and therefore = a bigger payout from the insurers point of view.

    I wouldn't write off a 1 series without having a go in one first. For starters, they are about the size of an 80's 3 series and the current 3 series is about the size of an 80's 5 series. Cars are MUCH bigger these days than they used to be.
    I used to laugh when I saw a 1 series. However, having test driven one for a pal a month or so back I have to admit I was VERY impressed. I can imagine with one of BMW's big sixes in there it'd be a real laugh.

    E46 M3 has to be worth a look as does a 330ci / 330D.

    Vauxhall Monaro has to be a worthy contender too - the LS1 V8 is a peach.

    Porsche 911 (996) is well within budget and in two years time factoring in some depreciation and a bit more saving you might just find you'll be able to get into a 997 which are MUCH better anyway.

    If you're looking at Scooby doos I suppose the natural competitor from Mitsubishi is worth considering too.

    A wild and wacky suggestion would be a Volvo V70 R design T5 with the polestar upgrade. I'm sure you're sat there thinking "wtf"... seriously they are well worth a look. I drove one a couple of weeks ago and was seriously impressed. The radar cruise control and the BLIS technology are incredibly impressive. I'm sure you'll likely dismiss this suggestion out of hand, but I can't tell you how close I've come over the last couple of weeks to putting a deposit down on this particular car. Can't ever remember being that blown away by a car - and a diesel too!
    http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...?logcode=ucnnp
    Been looking at the Volvo's more and more. I prefer Saloon rather than Estate. What do you think of the S60 2.5 R?
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    (Original post by DotDotCurve)
    Been looking at the Volvo's more and more. I prefer Saloon rather than Estate. What do you think of the S60 2.5 R?
    Volvo 5 pots are pretty good. Had a 2.0 litre 20 valve in an 850 saloon donkeys ago.
    The D5 engines are worth a look too. Obviously not as quick, but not too bad.
    The R design bit is just a spec thing - you pick either R design or SE. The SE is the soft and comfy model - most Volvo's come in this trim. The R design has sports suspension and a more aggressive front valance. On the new models you can always tell an R design as it'll have silver wing mirrors.

    If you fancy a Volvo saloon, check out the S80. Silly amounts of kit on these. They depreciate quite hard too so make good sense as a used car.
 
 
 
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