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    (Original post by felixb)
    you seem to have missed " she sold the entire contents of her house – crockery, curtains and all – to pay off rent arrears"


    And you seem to have missed the the point that it was all HER OWN FAULT in the first place for quitting her job!
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
    So what? I don't see how someone else taking a risk means I have to pay if things turn bad for them.

    If I invest my life savings in the stock market and lose it all, I don't turn to the government looking for a bail out.

    I don't intend on having children because I can't be sure that I would be able to pay for their education. I don't expect anyone else to pay for it for me.
    So suddenly having a child is taking a risk? Only the comfortably and invulnerably wealthy are allowed to reproduce now?

    It's not about "anyone else" paying for it. There's a thing called National Insurance. The idea is that if you fall on hard times, you've paid forward for yourself.

    Also, losing your life savings is a lot different from not having any money to begin with. Having a child and suddenly finding yourself unemployed is not the same as gambling away some money you weren't going to spend any time soon anyway.
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      (Original post by OU Student)
      Peoples situations change. Do you really think that people can really predict that in x amount of years time, they'll become a single parent, they'll lose their job, become ill, have to bring up a disabled child, etc?:rolleyes:
      If people's situations change, their attitudes to life has to change.

      The TV has to go, unnecessary **** has to go, no more branded products, no more clothes for a good while etc
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      (Original post by thisistheend)
      And you seem to have missed the the point that it was all HER OWN FAULT in the first place for quitting her job!
      all her own fault for having a child? Since when is having a child such a crime?
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        (Original post by felixb)
        you seem to have missed " she sold the entire contents of her house – crockery, curtains and all – to pay off rent arrears"


        She needs to move to a cheaper area imo.

        I refuse to believe she can't afford bread and jam for her child.

        47p bread: http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/asda-...read_800g.html

        29p jam: http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/asda-..._Jam_454g.html

        Total cost = 76p.

        Are you saying to me this ***** can't afford 76p? Where the **** is she shopping at? Waitrose?

        Beggars can't be choosers.
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          (Original post by felixb)
          all her own fault for having a child? Since when is having a child such a crime?
          It's a crime if you can't afford it.
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          (Original post by felixb)
          all her own fault for having a child? Since when is having a child such a crime?
          It wasn't her fault for having a child. It was her fault to quit her job when she had the child.

          You see, she could have decided, rather wisely given the circumstances that, well, something has to go. So I'm going to work, to feed my family, and not being able to spend time with my child is just something I'll have to put up with, because I can't do any better in my life circumstances.

          But NOOOO..... she chose to make her self unemployed by resigning. Deliberately making yourself unemployed gets you banned from benefits for 3 months too or something.

          Now her life circumstances are even worse. And the baby will grow up in poverty thanks to her. What's the point of spending time to be with your child if you can't provide for it? Utter stupidity.
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          (Original post by thisistheend)
          http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ain-jay-rayner

          ^^^ an article on food banks and poverty

          http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...modern-poverty

          ^^^ an article on someone feeding themselves so well in "poverty" that invited praise from Fortnum & Mason.

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          Food poverty it seems to me is caused by the stupidity of the poor people who have gotten themselves into the situation. It's not difficult to feed yourself or a family at all, lots of cheap stuff in supermarkets (basics or reduced to clear) or markets. If you're really that desperate, go dumpster diving.

          Lots of takeaways in poor areas still, might I add. It's simply laughable that typically so called "poor people" can't afford food. The woman in the above blog manages to feed herself and a baby for 28p a meal. You can pick up that much off the floor in town centres in less than an hour. No one is too poor to spend less than 30p to feed themselves.

          People who are too stupid to feed themselves is a bit like a fish that forgot to evolve gills.

          Maybe if people learnt to save a bit more, I have very little outgoing and can easily save around 50% of what I get if it wasn't my choice to spend it on nice things I want but not necessary to feed myself. People in much poorer countries manage to save a much higher % of their money. Why can't we?

          Also, even if the mother in the above blog is being clever now with her cheap recipes, she brought it on herself, by quitting a well paid night shift job as an telephone operator for the Emergency services and lumbering herself with a baby and not making much of her posh grammar school education she received.
          There is a risk, of course, that Monroe's recipes will be seized upon by people eager to "prove" that food poverty is a myth, or that benefit payments must be too high. Cooking can be done cheaply, she says, but it is more complicated than that.

          Quote from your featured article, just in case you missed it.
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          (Original post by thisistheend)
          It wasn't her fault for having a child. It was her fault to quit her job when she had the child.

          You see, she could have decided, rather wisely given the circumstances that, well, something has to go. So I'm going to work, to feed my family, and not being able to spend time with my child is just something I'll have to put up with, because I can't do any better in my life circumstances.

          But NOOOO..... she chose to make her self unemployed by resigning. Deliberately making yourself unemployed gets you banned from benefits for 3 months too or something.

          Now her life circumstances are even worse. And the baby will grow up in poverty thanks to her. What's the point of spending time to be with your child if you can't provide for it? Utter stupidity.
          Utter stupidity, leaving an infant alone at night to go out to work? What?
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          (Original post by im so academic)
          It's a crime if you can't afford it.
          for all we know she could afford it at the time of conception. There were 9 months before the child was even born in which her circumstances could have completely changed.

          This argument over one particular set of circumstances is ridiculous anyway.
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          (Original post by im so academic)
          She needs to move to a cheaper area imo.

          I refuse to believe she can't afford bread and jam for her child.

          47p bread: http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/asda-...read_800g.html

          29p jam: http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/asda-..._Jam_454g.html

          Total cost = 76p.

          Are you saying to me this ***** can't afford 76p? Where the **** is she shopping at? Waitrose?

          Beggars can't be choosers.
          There is absolutely no need to use that kind of language. In my opinion everything you now say is void. A debate is not an excuse to insult, and until you realise that I don't believe you deserve to give your opinions.
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          (Original post by felixb)
          Utter stupidity, leaving an infant alone at night to go out to work? What?
          Then maybe she should have considered giving it up for adoption to give it a better life.
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            (Original post by thisistheend)
            It wasn't her fault for having a child. It was her fault to quit her job when she had the child.

            You see, she could have decided, rather wisely given the circumstances that, well, something has to go. So I'm going to work, to feed my family, and not being able to spend time with my child is just something I'll have to put up with, because I can't do any better in my life circumstances.

            But NOOOO..... she chose to make her self unemployed by resigning. Deliberately making yourself unemployed gets you banned from benefits for 3 months too or something.

            Now her life circumstances are even worse. And the baby will grow up in poverty thanks to her. What's the point of spending time to be with your child if you can't provide for it? Utter stupidity.
            Absolutely this.
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              (Original post by felixb)
              There is absolutely no need to use that kind of language. In my opinion everything you now say is void. A debate is not an excuse to insult, and until you realise that I don't believe you deserve to give your opinions.
              So my argument is invalid because of the way I choose to present the information? That's bull****. Why not look past it and see the valid point behind it?

              No, it's because you're not prepared to accept it.
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              (Original post by thisistheend)
              Then maybe she should have considered giving it up for adoption to give it a better life.
              Ah yes, a life in state care, a much better existence.
              So a mother has to have her child torn from her if she falls on hard times now? It just seems to be that you're desperate to make this woman out to be some feckless whining idiot, when she's clearly been doing all she can to make a good life for the child, even quitting her job in order to care for it, risking all the concerns that go with that.
              Life just isn't quite as rosy as you'd like to make out.
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              (Original post by felixb)
              Ah yes, a life in state care, a much better existence.
              So a mother has to have her child torn from her if she falls on hard times now? It just seems to be that you're desperate to make this woman out to be some feckless whining idiot, when she's clearly been doing all she can to make a good life for the child, even quitting her job in order to care for it, risking all the concerns that go with that.
              Life just isn't quite as rosy as you'd like to make out.
              Life isn't rosy..

              You're born, you take ****. You get out in the world, you take more ****. You climb a little higher, you take less ****. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what **** even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake son.
              But for stupid people, they will never get to be in the rarified atmosphere and will spend the rest of their lives mucking about in **** due to the **** choices they make.
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              (Original post by im so academic)
              So my argument is invalid because of the way I choose to present the information? That's bull****. Why not look past it and see the valid point behind it?

              No, it's because you're not prepared to accept it.
              The point that bread and jam is actually quite cheap? I can happily accept that.

              However, she only mentioned that as an example. She clearly states that she has found ways to eat on a budget, and she wrote a whole set of recipes based on them. She's no idiot. She can find cheap food.

              You're not prepared to read the words actually in the article.
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                (Original post by felixb)
                The point that bread and jam is actually quite cheap? I can happily accept that.

                However, she only mentioned that as an example. She clearly states that she has found ways to eat on a budget, and she wrote a whole set of recipes based on them. She's no idiot. She can find cheap food.

                You're not prepared to read the words actually in the article.
                What else did she complain about?! That's basically the gist of the article - couldn't afford to feed her child and had to sell off her possessions.
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                (Original post by thisistheend)
                Life isn't rosy..



                But for stupid people, they will never get to be in the rarified atmosphere and will spend the rest of their lives mucking about in **** due to the **** choices they make.
                you can be as smart as you like but if life gives you **** there's not a lot you can do. Architects and lawyers can get made redundant, businesses can fail and breadwinners can die. Not everything in life is as a direct consequence of the choices you make, sadly.
               
               
               
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