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    Just so you're aware, Chemistry A-Level is completely useless for a maths degree, and I highly doubt that Cambridge will care if you take French over Chemistry.

    Physics is ostensibly helpful but in reality non-essential - there is nothing done at A Level physics that remotely resembles degree-level maths/theoretical physics. Mechanics modules in Further Maths are much more relevant.

    Essentially, if you have M + FM, do whatever else you like. Frankly doing extra modules of maths beyond FM matters more than your other 2 subjects.

    Source: myself, former Cambridge mathmo.
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    I just joined Student Room because I was so incensed: I can't BELIEVE parents still do this is the 21st century. It's your life, your choice; if you're going to make a mistake, let it be your mistake - and I don't think from my albeit limited experience it's a mistake anyway. As far as I can see, to get into Cambridge for maths you have to be a maths genius, convince them of that at interview, and turn in stellar STEP results. Whether you also do French or whatever surely doesn't matter unless it cuts the maths prep. Good luck to you

    What about your school? Will they back you up? My offsprings' schools would have gone demented if parents had tried to interfere in AS choices.
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    Considering your other subjects, French AS shouldn't hurt your chances at all.. you're already taking what they require, and a French AS isn't going to stop you from being accepted, if you don't get offers it'll be something else.

    Tell your mum you're the one that has to learn the content, take the exams, and live with the consequences; while she thinks she's trying to help you, it's your choice, not hers.
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    (Original post by KH94)
    It is up to you, nobody else. However I would say you really should drop AS French.

    Try to compromise and say you will drop French but you are not doing Biology because it doesn't interest you.

    I'm sure you could get into Cambridge with AS French, perhaps it would even improve your chances as it is a hard A-level subject - you need to check with the uni directly.

    My advise is drop French and do something else. You will get into Cambridge without French and your mum will be happy too.

    Good luck.






    Are you insane! OP definitely don't drop French to make your mum happy, its your life not hers. Also biology is little more relevant to maths than French to be honest. Most Cambridge maths applicants will have maths, further maths, and physics then economics/chemistry, pretty sure if you did well in French that would boost your application as you would stand out and from what I have heard it is really hard to do well. Also at the end of the day it's mainly going to be down to your ums in maths and further maths in whether you get an interview or not
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    (Original post by suzylemonade)
    So yeah, we got a letter from my school a short while ago saying that we would need to make inital AS decisions soon. For a while now I've been pretty sure about what I'm going to do for AS: Maths, Further Maths, Chemistry and French (and possibly Physics). Then I'm going to apply to do Maths at uni.
    However, my mum's always been unhappy about the fact that I don't plan on doing Biology. She says that I'm limiting my options on what I can do in Uni, and that Physics is useless. I think it's because she's wanted me to do medicine for ages, but I really don't want to be a doctor so she's pretty pissed about that. She's hoping that by making me take Biology, there may be a slim chance of me changing my mind and deciding to do medicine.
    She recently came back from an open day in a school near us in Oxford and said that one of the Physics teachers there had said that if I did French AS, I would have a 0% chance of getting in Cambridge University for Maths (I hope to apply there). My mum said I shouldn't do French and just do triple science and maths. I love french though, it's one of my favourite subjects and I'd love to do it as one of my AS. I feel that I would be pretty miserable doing Biology because honestly, it doesn't interest me at all. So I refused. Then she started saying that I should not even both applying to Cambridge because my A-Levels are useless and that I need all sciences to apply for maths at Cambridge. We're supposed to be going to an A-Level talk at Cambridge next week, but she says that she's not going to take me unless I decide to drop French. And I REALLY want to go for it.

    What should I do? Should I drop French? Is she right? Will it mean that I have no chance of getting into Cambridge?
    Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks

    If I were you, I'd take Physics instead of French/Chemistry.

    Honestly, chemistry is the hardest A level and it's so hard to average highly in it (which is what you need for cambridge). I know a lot of people who averaged highly in physics and poorly in chemistry. Plus, the majority of cambridge mathmos will have taken maths, fm, physics and physics will help you with mechanics modules.
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    you mum sounds like an abhorrent person.

    do french.
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    French, maths, physics and further maths is fine. Your mum has no idea what she is talking about :nah:

    study what interests you - not what you think the 'perfect applicant' would study.
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    (Original post by popprincess)
    Tbh, i think its bad when parents put pressure on children like this. I know they are only tyring to do whats best for you and they think they know best, but the truth is that only you know that. You know what you do and do not like and if you like something, you tend to do better at it. If you like french, then do french. I don't see why doing french a level would prevent you from getting into cambridge. Cambridge like all-rounded people and it shows you are academically strong at all sorts of subject areas. Then, you can study math at cambridge. Then again, science and mathematics do tend to go together. You may even decide though that you want to study french. Lets face it, any subject you study at cambridge is like a golden ticket to success.

    if you want to do french or something else, then do what you want to do and maybe seek advice from teachers. If you dont want to do medicine, then dont be forced into it. Its a hell of a long road of studying and more studying and training and more training and then when you get there its just more work and more work and more shifts and more shifts and more late nights and more late nights. Many doctors are miserable. Its perceived to be a relatively presitgious career but there are many more of these and if you are bright, you have these options too.
    Thanks for this, that's what I thought too. Because I figured that I had all of the relevant subjects for maths and so I could do something else that would show that I was well rounded (French- but I also chose to do it because I like it)
    And yeah, I originally did want to do medicine (for about 3 years ago) but that was mostly because my mum made it sound as if there was no other courses available at uni. Honestly, to this day it still surprises me when people tell me they're studying other things that aren't medicine at uni because I really did think that was the only thing available in uni xD

    (Original post by wadhamite)
    AS French = not useless. You may use it for internships (let me tell you, big banks go crazy for mathmos who have a knowledge of another language, and it may give you easier/more enjoyable opportunities to work abroad), jobs, or just for pleasure - with friends in other countries, having a working knowledge of another language is ace. I have several times used AS French (which I last studied in 2005) to dig my friends out of holes, most notably at a wedding of two Cambridge friends in France this year. I had to deal with miserable hostel landladies, taxi drivers who didn't turn up, coach drivers who wanted me to translate to other wedding guests, cinema staff over a ticket mix up and Easyjet about a lost phone. You won't regret taking AS French, and your friends will buy you many vers de vins rouges as a reward.
    That is my one of my main motivations for taking a language actually, I know it will help a LOT in future. Thanks for replying though I'm showing all of these replies to my mum, I think she's starting to change her mind about things slightly


    (Original post by jessikahxox)
    Do French. Cambridge will be more impressed with a great French grade than a flop biology one. You're doing great subjects already - everyone knows languages are difficult.

    PLUS, Loads of unis want a language! Seriously, if you ace French then they'll be impressed


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    Thanks! Yeah, you're right. I think I will do French and not listen to what my mum says

    (Original post by Scratchyjam)
    Pie Biology. If you don't wanna do it then you won't have motivation to study it and may come out with a bad grade.

    Saying that you have 0% chance of doing Maths at Cambridge if you did French AS is complete BS, I reckon.

    Are you definitely gonna five AS levels? Or is Physics a big maybe? Because the 3 most relevant subjects for Maths at Cambridge (or any other top institution, really) are Maths, FM and Physics. So if you're only doing four AS levels and are torn between Physics and French, then i'd plump for Physics.

    But if you're gonna do five and you think you can handle the workload then definitely go for French as well. I did it to A2 and thought it was pretty good.

    Your decision at the end of the day, though. Don't let your mum make your decisions for you.

    If you're still in doubt, email Cambridge and see what they say.
    Physics is a definite choice now, so yeah, that makes it 5 AS levels. I have had many people tell me that it's stupid doing five, but I'm going to do it anyways. I think I can handle the workload.
    What was French like at A2/AS?

    (Original post by Mm_Minty)
    Haha yeah, I'm so sure that your mum knows more about cambridge admissions than the cambridge admissions team themselves. She's lying and attempting to manipulate you, she sounds like an awful parent.

    Contact someone at cambridge and ask them to double check, though you really don't need A level biology to do a maths degree, physics will be sufficient.
    She's really not that bad, she's just a bit silly sometimes I think xD
    Yeah, I think I will email them later. It's probably the best thing to do

    (Original post by Jessmukkah)
    French AS is absolutely fine - it's a respected A Level, and languages are sought after by universities and employers alike!

    The ideal combination for applying to Maths is taking Maths, Further Maths and Physics at A2. If you're planning on doing 3 subjects at A2, then I wouldn't recommend carrying French through as you'll be up against the vast majority of applicants who do have Maths, FM and Physics, but if you'replanning on doing 4 subjects at A2 then continuing with French would be fine. Admissions tutors will focus your three most relevant subjects when assessing your application, but a good grade in French AS would count in your favour. This means that if you were to take all 4 to A2, then French would most likely not be part of an offer, but you could do it for fun.

    Ignore your Mum, is my advice here. Also, Physics is most definitely not useless - you're better off taking Physics than Chemistry if you're heading in the Maths direction, but having three science subjects at A2 is what you need.
    I think that is what I'm going to do, yeah
    And yep, Physics is a definite now. I'm definitely doing Physics.
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    French is definitely a good choice for Cambridge as shown in the below link:

    http://www.trin.cam.ac.uk/index.php?pageid=604

    Also, you might want to take note that most Medicine courses don't actually require biology, you just have to have chemistry, in case your mum pushes it.

    And physics is related strongly to mechanics, one of the branches of maths, and it's an advantage to have it.
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    (Original post by suzylemonade)
    So yeah, we got a letter from my school a short while ago saying that we would need to make inital AS decisions soon. For a while now I've been pretty sure about what I'm going to do for AS: Maths, Further Maths, Chemistry and French (and possibly Physics). Then I'm going to apply to do Maths at uni.
    However, my mum's always been unhappy about the fact that I don't plan on doing Biology. She says that I'm limiting my options on what I can do in Uni, and that Physics is useless. I think it's because she's wanted me to do medicine for ages, but I really don't want to be a doctor so she's pretty pissed about that. She's hoping that by making me take Biology, there may be a slim chance of me changing my mind and deciding to do medicine.
    Tell her that over a dozen med schools will consider you if you do Chemistry + Maths plus a third A2 subject plus a 4th AS subject. And Cambridge medics don't need Biology (though they do need 3 sciences, incl maths). That may keep her off your back for a while. See the medicine wiki article on 'a level requirements' for details (http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Medicine) but note that not all med schools count Further Maths as a separate subject. Good luck!
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    (Original post by Kilaskwiral)
    Tell your mum she's lying. The only subjects required are Maths and Further Maths to A2 (or FM to AS only if you can't do it to A2). Another science, Physics ideally (I'm applying this year and doing Chemistry instead since I'm better at it) is a good choice for A2, but for AS Biology is not really relevant to Maths, and neither is French. Both are hard so either is fine. French AS will allow you to do a foreign exchange course more easily while at uni so I'd say it's probably more valuable.

    Do what you want, you could do Media as your fifth AS and they probably wouldn't care and if you can justify it briefly at interview, even better.
    Yeah, I am doing Physics now, definitely. So that basically means that I'll be doing 3 sciences at AS? Does that sound like it's okay?
    And yeah, I thought about that actually, it would be nice to do a foreign exchange course at uni
    What is Biology useful for (apart from the obvious medicine and biochemistry?) Because I really don't know


    (Original post by ClickItBack)
    Just so you're aware, Chemistry A-Level is completely useless for a maths degree, and I highly doubt that Cambridge will care if you take French over Chemistry.

    Physics is ostensibly helpful but in reality non-essential - there is nothing done at A Level physics that remotely resembles degree-level maths/theoretical physics. Mechanics modules in Further Maths are much more relevant.

    Essentially, if you have M + FM, do whatever else you like. Frankly doing extra modules of maths beyond FM matters more than your other 2 subjects.

    Source: myself, former Cambridge mathmo.
    I like Chemistry, so I'm taking it. But yeah, I've basically decided on doing all of them except Biology. Hopefully I made the right decision
    And awesome, what was Cambridge like?

    (Original post by KeepGoing)
    I just joined Student Room because I was so incensed: I can't BELIEVE parents still do this is the 21st century. It's your life, your choice; if you're going to make a mistake, let it be your mistake - and I don't think from my albeit limited experience it's a mistake anyway. As far as I can see, to get into Cambridge for maths you have to be a maths genius, convince them of that at interview, and turn in stellar STEP results. Whether you also do French or whatever surely doesn't matter unless it cuts the maths prep. Good luck to you

    What about your school? Will they back you up? My offsprings' schools would have gone demented if parents had tried to interfere in AS choices.
    I can't believe you joined because of this, thanks
    And yeah, that's what I thought too, but my mum managed to convince me otherwise.

    My school is backing me up, yeah. They're fine with me doing French and actually think it's a good idea. But yeah, my mum has been banned from interfering now


    (Original post by nick d terrier)
    Are you insane! OP definitely don't drop French to make your mum happy, its your life not hers. Also biology is little more relevant to maths than French to be honest. Most Cambridge maths applicants will have maths, further maths, and physics then economics/chemistry, pretty sure if you did well in French that would boost your application as you would stand out and from what I have heard it is really hard to do well. Also at the end of the day it's mainly going to be down to your ums in maths and further maths in whether you get an interview or not
    I'm not dropping French xD
    Ah yeah, I know it is but I don't really want to take it though :/ Do you reckon I should?

    (Original post by Lunch_Box)
    If I were you, I'd take Physics instead of French/Chemistry.

    Honestly, chemistry is the hardest A level and it's so hard to average highly in it (which is what you need for cambridge). I know a lot of people who averaged highly in physics and poorly in chemistry. Plus, the majority of cambridge mathmos will have taken maths, fm, physics and physics will help you with mechanics modules.
    I'm taking all three. So yeah xD
    Even so, I'm still taking Chemistry. It's the only one I've been definite about, so yeah, I'm definitely taking it.

    (Original post by martin jol)
    you mum sounds like an abhorrent person.

    do french.
    Nah, she just doesn't listen sometimes. She's really not that bad.
    Doing French

    (Original post by Occams Chainsaw)
    French, maths, physics and further maths is fine. Your mum has no idea what she is talking about :nah:

    study what interests you - not what you think the 'perfect applicant' would study.
    (and Chemistry, I'm taking that too). But yeah, I've stopped listening to what she says
    Yup, that's what I'm doing xD
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    (Original post by suzylemonade)
    (and Chemistry, I'm taking that too). But yeah, I've stopped listening to what she says
    Yup, that's what I'm doing xD
    If you were saying you want to study Health and Social Care, Computer Science and Applied Science then I'd understand her argument but you aren't doing that. You've chosen some of the most respected A Levels. They will hardly limit your options.
    I studied 6 subjects in my first year because I didn't want to limit myself to a certain pathway but I learned through the year that I really only needed 4 subjects and could still have lots of opportunities in different fields.

    Even if you did change your mind, there are foundation and conversion courses for people from different fields to turn their hand to another. You really don't need to be worried about limiting yourself :nah:
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    (Original post by Occams Chainsaw)
    If you were saying you want to study Health and Social Care, Computer Science and Applied Science then I'd understand her argument but you aren't doing that. You've chosen some of the most respected A Levels. They will hardly limit your options.
    I studied 6 subjects in my first year because I didn't want to limit myself to a certain pathway but I learned through the year that I really only needed 4 subjects and could still have lots of opportunities in different fields.

    Even if you did change your mind, there are foundation and conversion courses for people from different fields to turn their hand to another. You really don't need to be worried about limiting yourself :nah:
    6?! You took 6? That is a LOT. How did you manage the workload?

    Thanks though, I hadn't actually thought of the conversion courses- that makes it a whole a lot better actually
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    (Original post by suzylemonade)
    6?! You took 6? That is a LOT. How did you manage the workload?

    Thanks though, I hadn't actually thought of the conversion courses- that makes it a whole a lot better actually
    It was okay! People studying the International Baccalaureate study six subjects too :dontknow: My rationale was that if they could then why couldn't I?!
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    Take everything away from her that exists because we as humans have come up with the concept of a set of rules which describe the actions of the universe and everything within it and see if she thinks physics is useless then.
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    (Original post by suzylemonade)
    Nah, she just doesn't listen sometimes. She's really not that bad.
    Doing French
    genial
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    Troll harder.
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    Hell to the no Suzy!

    Keep with your options
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    (Original post by AdamskiUK)
    Troll harder.
    :troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll::troll:

    Is that hard enough for you?
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    (Original post by Occams Chainsaw)
    It was okay! People studying the International Baccalaureate study six subjects too :dontknow: My rationale was that if they could then why couldn't I?!
    Yeah, but that's the IB- Not A-Level! You must be a super genius
    What did you take?

    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    Hell to the no Suzy!

    Keep with your options
    Yeah, I think I will
 
 
 
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