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Will this happen?

By breaking down, I mean, no economy, money, jobs or anything like that. No schools or doctors and no organisation whatsoever. The world will have just descended into a mass of anarchy.
Children would be born but they wouldn't go to school and just do as they please, ill people wouldn't go to hospital because there would be no doctors or hospitals or NHS. There would literally be no law and order or organisation.

Can you see this happening within the next 100 years? If not, why?
I get this image of a few Ancient Roman citizens standing around going 'the world is gonna end soon, humanity is completely ****ed, look at the younger generation, all they want to do is fornicate in orgies and get plastered on wine. It's the end of days!'

Every generation underestimates the next when really, nothing ever really changes.
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I really hope so.
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Probably. Vigilante rule ain't gonna wait forever...
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I really hope so.
Well you would wouldn't you.
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(Original post by Moosferatu)
I get this image of a few Ancient Roman citizens standing around going 'the world is gonna end soon, humanity is completely ****ed, look at the younger generation, all they want to do is fornicate in orgies and get plastered on wine. It's the end of days!'

Every generation underestimates the next when really, nothing ever really changes.
You'll see...
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You say "look at societys young people today" yet not every single young person acts the way you are describing... and normally the people who aren't acting as you are specifying will take up the jobs as gov, doctors, lawyers etc since you geberally aren't going to get academics acting as the way you perceive negative (making 9/11 jokes etc, drug taking etc). And every generation has people that act like this
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You say "look at societys young people today" yet not every single young person acts the way you are describing... and normally the people who aren't acting as you are specifying will take up the jobs as gov, doctors, lawyers etc since you geberally aren't going to get academics acting as the way you perceive negative (making 9/11 jokes etc, drug taking etc). And every generation has people that act like this
I don't see why partying hard is the sign of a poor person. Drug use is more common than people would have you think. Doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. have certain reputations for partying hard because of their extremely stressful work life. Why is that such a bad thing?

Maybe it's just because we're on a student forum, but life is not black-and-white like many people seem to think it is. Wash your hands of rigid perceptions of what makes a successful person and what makes a failure or live forever as an imbecile. Your call, guys.
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(Original post by Moosferatu)
I don't see why partying hard is the sign of a poor person. Drug use is more common than people would have you think. Doctors, lawyers, bankers, etc. have certain reputations for partying hard because of their extremely stressful work life. Why is that such a bad thing?

Maybe it's just because we're on a student forum, but life is not black-and-white like many people seem to think it is. Wash your hands of rigid perceptions of what makes a successful person and what makes a failure or live forever as an imbecile. Your call, guys.
I know this which is why I put "normally" i'm the certain most academics who take up this high up jobs don't spend there entire youth partying, taking drugs & making it 'cool' and saying offensive jokes.
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(Original post by thoyub)
We have a generation of young people who think smoking and drugs are good for you, they think it's ok to make fun of 9/11 victims in nightclubs (and they actively do it).
Want to cite some evidence for the smoking and drugs stuff? Last time I checked both smoking and drug use were down, and people certainly know it's bad for you. As for the 9/11 thing, I really have no idea what you're talking about.


(Original post by thoyub)
These people will never be able to become doctors or lawyers or politicians. (not that they even want to) Society is bound to crumble.
This simply isn't the case. If anything, we have too many doctors. See here. Again, maybe you'd like to cite some evidence that people today are stupider than previous generations or less willing to enrol in courses such as medicine, law and politics.
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The young people of today will soon be trying to run the country and they aren't exactly going the right way to get good jobs or go anywhere in life.

If we have no politicians or doctors or anything like that, how can society survive? I'm telling you, it will collapse completely within 100 years.

I know literally scores of people training to be doctors and politicians, you can't move for them in any student area of London or Oxford. University attendance is higher than it has ever been, there is a huge surplus of doctors and lawyers, and there are about 100 people applying for each position in the average high end graduate job. Where do you live that you think young people are not going anywhere in life? The council estates of Liverpool?
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I know literally scores of people training to be doctors and politicians, you can't move for them in any student area of London or Oxford. University attendance is higher than it has ever been, there is a huge surplus of doctors and lawyers, and there are about 100 people applying for each position in the average high end graduate job. Where do you live that you think young people are not going anywhere in life? The council estates of Liverpool?
By the time they've finished university, they won't have any brain cells left to do the job.
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well i goddamn hope it does, the sooner the better.
100 years is great, 50 years would be marvellous, 5 would be a dream. let the anarchy begin, and may we all descend into lawlessness, starting with removing the corrupt officials in whitehall from power. may the entire system crumble and burn. and i, shall stand there in total admiration, cigar in hand, watching the chaos ensue.
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Want to cite some evidence for the smoking and drugs stuff? Last time I checked both smoking and drug use were down, and people certainly know it's bad for you. As for the 9/11 thing, I really have no idea what you're talking about.




This simply isn't the case. If anything, we have too many doctors. See here. Again, maybe you'd like to cite some evidence that people today are stupider than previous generations or less willing to enrol in courses such as medicine, law and politics.
You only have to walk out of your front door to see that smoking is definitely on the rise. If they know it's bad for you, why do they do it? Are they just thick or do they actually want to die?

Uni students are going into nightclubs with costumes of the burning twin towers. That is hugely disrespectful and they are even winning competitions because of it. Yet another reason to be pessimistic about the future.
If young people can't even show respect for the victims of a terrorist attack, what hope have we got?
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By the time they've finished university, they won't have any brain cells left to do the job.
Funny, because the culture of drinking at university has been going on for 20 to 30 years now, and yet there are plenty of 40 year old doctors and lawyers who don't seem to have been too badly affected. Besides, not everyone at university drinks, and most don't drink to a serious extent for more than a year.
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You only have to walk out of your front door to see that smoking is definitely on the rise.
So no actual evidence, then? Okay, how about you look at this or this or this.

If they know it's bad for you, why do they do it? Are they just thick or do they actually want to die?
People who begin to smoke do so either because they enjoy it or feel socially pressured to do so. Once they begin, it's obviously very difficult to shake the addiction.

Uni students are going into nightclubs with costumes of the burning twin towers. That is hugely disrespectful and they are even winning competitions because of it. Yet another reason to be pessimistic about the future.
If young people can't even show respect for the victims of a terrorist attack, what hope have we got?
Okay, so I had to Google this, and I assume you're talking about this story? Yet another anecdote. I really don't think it's fair to take one story of a couple of idiots and then generalise it to an entire demographic. Once data point is not a trend. Show me actual evidence, not anecdotes.
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Uni students are going into nightclubs with costumes of the burning twin towers. That is hugely disrespectful and they are even winning competitions because of it. Yet another reason to be pessimistic about the future.
If young people can't even show respect for the victims of a terrorist attack, what hope have we got?
This is not the first time in history that young people have existed. David Cameron and Boris Johnson used to burn money in front of homeless people during their time in the Bullingdon Club, yet the country has not collapsed even though they are two of the most powerful people in the country. Teenagers do stupid stuff, then they become adults.
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Eventually something will cause a mass extinction.
Within 100 years? Unlikely. Probably at least a few thousand.
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This is exactly what was said years ago about the teenagers of the 50s, 60s and 70s. Didn't happen. It was said about the people from the 20s. Didn't happen. There is evidence from Vergil and Livy that Romans complained constantly about young people with long hair and messy tunics scrawling graffiti all over the cities - and Rome had a good 3-400 years after that.
Homer talked of how a man's deeds can never live up to those of his father, and how honour must be eternally degrading. We've been progressively more drugged up for at least 3000 years it seems
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Homer talked of how a man's deeds can never live up to those of his father, and how honour must be eternally degrading. We've been progressively more drugged up for at least 3000 years it seems
Depends on how one defines the concepts of honour and civilisation, really.

We may be becoming increasingly modern, decadent and liberal on an exponential scale, but we're also arguably much more civilised. We don't have senatorial inclusive politics, or aspire to Roman ideals, but on the other hand, we don't have slaves, either. Were the young people of the 30s and 40s who fought in the war a disappointment to their parents? (Well, excluding the Germans, of course).
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We may be becoming increasingly modern, decadent and liberal on an exponential scale,
Compared to a culture where orgies were standard after-dinner entertainment and homosexuality was actively encouraged for bonding with your fellow soldiers? /not a classicist/

I think the only things that have really changed are that we survive more easily and are less dependent on manual labour. Pretty much every other 'back in my day' trend is just wishful thinking.
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