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(Original post by vendettax)
I think it's harder to act 'like a man', since you have to be emotionless and the leader all the time. Thus why the suicides are so high for men than women.
of course it is much harder. not stuffing your face , throw some make up on and don't be crazy or a *****. women, meanwhile, have laundry lists that go in the late hundreds about the man they want. most average looking women would have no issue finding a good partner if their expectations weren't so unrealistic. it is much much easier to look nice and be just overall pleasant than it is for men to become some ryan gosling character. that's why they have so many words for it : prince charming, knight in shining armor, mr right, mr big etcetc. is there even one word for the perfect woman? maybe because men aren't looking for her.


think of every social mammal out there, the competition for males to have the power and get the females is just absurd. only very few males get to pass on their genes while the females just need to exist, basically.
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(Original post by arson_fire)
You could also argue that its a transfer of money from those that work to those that don`t, regardless of gender.
Or a transfer of money from work that is valued financially by society to people doing work that is not valued financially by society.

But in the current society it is assumed that women will take on unpaid caring roles and assumed that those jobs are "beneath" men.

Pretty ****ty situation really for everyone.
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(Original post by Lyrical Prodigy)
Here come the feminists...:rolleyes:
Was that not the entire point of this thread?
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(Original post by PQ)
Was that not the entire point of this thread?
It was a joke.
-Not even going to bother.
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(Original post by mimi112)
in the western world, of course it's women , not even close.


- women use the public health system much more often and for longer since they die later

- women are not expected to risk their lives or health for others, man up grow balls etc
Mostly agree except for these two.

If you think its a privilege that we get more use out of the health services then you're stupid. I'm sure most women would rather have better health than get more use out of it.

There is also the thought that many men avoid going to the doctors for various reasons - well if you are too embarrassed/ cant be bothered to go, that's your own fault.

As for your second point - many many women are expected to have children. Childbirth can cause death (rare i'll admit) but also health problems, some temporary, some permanent. Thats not to mention the 9 months carrying the child, plus an agonising day or two in labour. So actually, we are expected to risk our health on a regular basis.
(which also may be a reason why women use the health services more.)
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(Original post by mimi112)
lol i see the women are starting to vote now, but as usual they don't want to get into it. just click the option their feelings are telling them is right and go hide back into the shadows, like scared little mice.

it's ok to debate, girls, really. even better if you can actually back it up with facts. go ahead, name some of these male privileges you speak of.
Misogynistic posts aren't even worth replying to. Because the majority of you are only little geeks with barely any consequence.

Squeak ****ing squeak.





Both genders face issues. I'm not going to be stupid enough to pretend that my opinions aren't completely unbiased and un-selfmotivated unlike the majority of you.
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(Original post by mimi112)
in the western world, of course it's women , not even close.

- the welfare state is pretty much a transfer of money from men to women since men pay by far most of the taxes and women get most of the rewards
- women use the public health system much more often and for longer since they die later
- women live much longer, huge part being the money and effort invested in drawing attention to women's health issues compared to men's (how many breast cancer awareness do you see compared to prostate cancer?)
- women get much shorter prison sentences
- women arrested for a crime are also significantly more likely to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted
- divorce courts heavily favor women
- women have many more charities, shelters, help lines etc
- women get scholarships just because of their gender even though they are now 60% or more of college students and rising
- at least 75% of homeless people are men (90% in some cases)
- at least 90-95% of work related deaths are men
- women can hit men and it's empowering, the other way around is a mortal sin
- women are not expected to fight or die in wars
- women are not expected to risk their lives or health for others, man up grow balls etc (how many women cleaned up cernobyl or fukushima ? ZERO. how many women were on that ship with bruce willis when he blew up the asteroid? ZERO)
- there's much much more (gym hours for women only, free club entry, wimbledon prizes bla bla) but they are trivial ; although they do add up....

after all, how could it be otherwise when we all know women are wonderful .
The Armageddon reference is what has me convinced.

(Original post by Limebuddhist)
Ok, let's talk about how women are oppressed in the western world
-paid less, less likely to get promoted
-sexualised all the time (being harassed in the street, being felt up by strangers), as well as more serious sexual abuse such as rape
-men who feel contemptuous of women, see them as weaker and more stupid, objectify them (perfect example on this thread)
-under represented in many jobs, for example women's sport is highly underrated compared to men's
-expected to conform to much more rigorous physical societal norms, ie shaving all body hair, makeup
-often just judged on their bodies and attractiveness, but are either seen as frumpy or slutty
-more anorexia and disorders stemming from distorted body image, because more pressure is put on them to be attractive
-represented as over sexualised stereotypes and many films only have one token woman character as a live interest
-slut shamed, whereas men can have all the sex they want
-if they have children and they don't work they're seen as not contributing to society (as seen in this thread, even though if we didn't raise children where would society be?)
-however if they don't settle down it's assumed there's something wrong with them
-constantly being demonised by forums like these
just a few reasons, off the top of my head, but that's why there is positive discrimination in place, because men are prevalent in a lot of careers and women don't have a history of being more privileged so they don't have that natural advantage
Notice the first list addresses ways in which men are less privileged. This responds to the title directly. It lists measurably, tangible situations. All are situations that could be easily debated with facts and statistics. The second list addresses ways in which western women are oppressed. A slight deviation from the title. It lists mostly perceived pressures women must endure. Those factors are subjective and dependent on an emotional susceptibility to them. If women cease to care about these things, then they cease to exist. The same principle does not work for the majority of the men's list.

-men who feel contemptuous of women, see them as weaker and more stupid, objectify them (perfect example on this thread)
-under represented in many jobs, for example women's sport is highly underrated compared to men's
-expected to conform to much more rigorous physical societal norms, ie shaving all body hair, makeup
-often just judged on their bodies and attractiveness, but are either seen as frumpy or slutty
-more anorexia and disorders stemming from distorted body image, because more pressure is put on them to be attractive
-represented as over sexualised stereotypes and many films only have one token woman character as a live interest
-slut shamed, whereas men can have all the sex they want
-if they have children and they don't work they're seen as not contributing to society (as seen in this thread, even though if we didn't raise children where would society be?)
-however if they don't settle down it's assumed there's something wrong with them
-constantly being demonised by forums like these
Men face very real inequity. Women face very emotional, and often self imposed pressures. At least, based on these two lists.
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I don't know where the myth of women being paid less came from. I remember someone posting on here claiming that a public sector nurse position, bearing in mind there are different levels of nurses, was comparable to an engineering job.
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Women, men are objectified and sexualised just as much as women and on top they have the added pressure of success's. Women can perpetrate heinous crimes against men such as paternity fraud and sexual harassment and get away with it. It really is a womens world in the west.
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(Original post by xoxAngel_Kxox)
To be honest, you might feel as though women have more advantages, but at least you didn't have to fight for centuries to even be seen as a human being.
yeah they did. most men throughout history had zero civil rights and political rights. you had to be a wealthy man - so like 5% of men had any sort of power. I think working class men got the vote like 10 years before women did. plus, men have had to make sacrifices that women have never had to make such as defending the country - the suffragette movement gave out white feathers (cowardliness) to men who didn't volunteer for WW1 you know. WW1 killed like half the people in loads of communities - all of them male.
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(Original post by PQ)
How do you suggest we do that?

Most feminists agree with what you say here wholeheartedly - men are just as harmed by the patriarchy/societal attitudes towards gender as women are. That's why feminists are looking to fight against that (although obviously they're often focusing on the specific parts of society that hurt women directly - especially given the under-representation of women in the parts of society that make these decisions)...with a side effect being that it should be acceptable for a man to stay at home and care for his kids, should not be assumed that men will work longer hours and sacrifice their family and social life for work, shouldn't be assumed that men are so shallow that they'll buy a newspaper to stare at some titties rather than for the news related content, shouldn't be assumed that "pretty women" on the front of magazines/newspapers make more money that "interesting people", shouldn't be assumed that masculine traits are "good" and feminine traits are "bad" and that any man who shows or displays their feelings is "unmanly" (just as any woman who shows strength shouldn't be dismissed as a *****).

As I say - I agree we need to address the way society makes assumptions about men and women - those assumptions and attitudes hurt us all.

Who do you feel is responsible for these attitudes?
How do you think we can get them to change?
What's wrong with a men wanting to look at a naked women? Lots of feminists deny basic biology. It is a fact by the way that most women are not attracted to men who put them on a pedestal and act all shy and respectful, and constantly try and please them. modern feminism in the west just wants to turn men into slaves and deny biological truths.
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under represented in many jobs, for example women's sport is highly underrated compared to men's
This is because women are just not as physically capable as men. Sorry if this offends you but it is a biological fact. Men are generally stronger and far more athletic - hence in almost every single sport men are the better athletes. As a consequence it gets the coverage because they are the best in the world. Sorry if facts hurt. People will start caring about say women's football when women start being as talented at football as Messi or Ronaldo - which is NEVER going to happen because of biological realities!
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(Original post by darius12345)
What's wrong with a men wanting to look at a naked women? Lots of feminists deny basic biology. It is a fact by the way that most women are not attracted to men who put them on a pedestal and act all shy and respectful, and constantly try and please them. modern feminism in the west just wants to turn men into slaves and deny biological truths.
I'm assuming you've quoted my post by accident here given that I didn't say any of the things you seem to be responding to
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(Original post by darius12345)
This is because women are just not as physically capable as men. Sorry if this offends you but it is a biological fact. Men are generally stronger and far more athletic - hence in almost every single sport men are the better athletes. As a consequence it gets the coverage because they are the best in the world. Sorry if facts hurt. People will start caring about say women's football when women start being as talented at football as Messi or Ronaldo - which is NEVER going to happen because of biological realities!
Thats exactly why gender equality is impossible, because of our different biologys.
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Thats exactly why gender equality is impossible, because of our different biologys.
I am all for equality. But gender differences are a fact, women and men are different physically and psychologically.
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I am all for equality. But gender differences are a fact, women and men are different physically and psychologically.
Heresy, the feminists shall be along soon to tell you how gender is a social construct, and that men/women are psychologically the same.
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Heresy, the feminists shall be along soon to tell you how gender is a social construct, and that men/women are psychologically the same.
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How is that belief in anyway related to feminism?
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How is that belief in anyway related to feminism?
Feminist theory states that gender is a construct of society.
Thats how.

Also please dont dotdotdot, drives me insane...
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Women.
Sorry, but the ultimate privilege still comes from being a white man. No question. If you see battles you need to fight, then fight them, don't expect every one else to do it for you. Women after all have had to fight for countless years in order to get our voices heard. Did you know rape within marriage was still legal until 1991?
We still have:
-Rape culture
(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julia-...b_3368577.html - especially read 'rape culture and politics)
-Everyday sexism, we can't walk down the street, even today, without encountering it!
(https://twitter.com/EverydaySexism)
-Unequal pay
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20223264)
-Extremely unrealistic expectations of beauty and body image.
(http://mediasmarts.ca/body-image/bod...-and-magazines)
-Domestic violence (89%, roughly speaking, victimised women. I know men are abused too, and there is growing support for you guys, but women are still the main victims.
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21372875)

I could go on.

Not to mention the absolutely henious crimes against women that go on every single second around the world.
http://womensrightsworldwide.org/

Guys still hold the power. End of.
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(Original post by Limebuddhist)
Ok, let's talk about how women are oppressed in the western world
-paid less, less likely to get promoted
Untrue, this is due to older traditionally gender-roled women still in the workplace. In our age group women are paid more and are more likely to get promoted.

-sexualised all the time (being harassed in the street, being felt up by strangers), as well as more serious sexual abuse such as rape
Yes

-men who feel contemptuous of women, see them as weaker and more stupid, objectify them (perfect example on this thread)
Plenty of women see themselves as the superior sex too

-under represented in many jobs, for example women's sport is highly underrated compared to men's
Of course it is, women cannot build the same muscle or run as fast as men, that's just a fact. Under-representation in high-earning jobs is something only women themselves can solve by applying for those jobs. There are no barriers to entry, there is equality of opportunity. In fact it balances in favour of women due to direct entry schemes for "women in finance", "women in engineering" etc, we don't see this for men in fields where women dominate like teaching, certain branches of medicine, law.

-expected to conform to much more rigorous physical societal norms, ie shaving all body hair, makeup
Nothing to do with men, you all engineered that arms race for yourself fuelled by the media. We are also pressured to get muscle (much harder than losing fat), we are not allowed to show emotions, we have much less freedom in what clothes we can wear, we are creepy perverts if we use sex toys...

-often just judged on their bodies and attractiveness, but are either seen as frumpy or slutty
Usually by other women, the only time men do this is for bravado among their friends.

-more anorexia and disorders stemming from distorted body image, because more pressure is put on them to be attractive
Not true at all, men simply do not report feelings of body dysmorphia, or they are encouraged ("bigorexia")

-represented as over sexualised stereotypes and many films only have one token woman character as a live interest
True but do not forget that any male action hero is also an over-sexualised one-dimensional stereotype, we just don't whine on about it so much

-slut shamed, whereas men can have all the sex they want
That is because it's no challenge to get sex for women, but it is for men, that's why men are admired for it (and past the age of 20 it is seen as infantile even for men). Women also do most of the slut-shaming. Men are also shamed for being virgins.

-if they have children and they don't work they're seen as not contributing to society (as seen in this thread, even though if we didn't raise children where would society be?)
What a limp argument, are you seriously suggesting being a housewife is less socially acceptable than being a house-husband? It is a choice society lets women make - career or kid - but men have no choice: they must work themselves to an early grave (earlier than women)

-however if they don't settle down it's assumed there's something wrong with them
That is a double standard, I suppose

-constantly being demonised by forums like these
The only gender demonisation I see on the Internet is girls posting Facebook statuses about how all men are worthless cheating lying *******s and they deserve better because they're such a special little snowflake

just a few reasons, off the top of my head, but that's why there is positive discrimination in place, because men are prevalent in a lot of careers and women don't have a history of being more privileged so they don't have that natural advantage
You need to get a reality check and stop reading the feminist columns/blogs/theorists, I know it's difficult when women's "issues" get so much airtime in our society compared to men's

Note that even here I have just refuted your points, there are many other men's issues/unfair expectations I could raise, such as in conscription, health, divorce, custody, workplace accidents, homelessness, automation of manufacturing, media depiction, no support services for e.g. battered husbands, expectation to earn more than partner, expectation to ask partner out, sexual performance pressure/responsibility for partner's orgasm, hitting, attacking, maiming men seen as a joke or worse empowering.................. the list goes on and on and on
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