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Hitler, Muhammed, Stalin, Joseph Smith, Mao, any cult leader really.
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Hitler, Muhammed, Stalin, Joseph Smith, Mao, any cult leader really.
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In before storms of angry protest.
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Interesting replies so far, let us continue this!
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What? Speech was his greatest strength.
I did not understand that either.
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Taliban
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That Lady Macbeth woman :angry:

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I would say Hitler but to be different , the Kim-jongs
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I would say Hitler but to be different , the Kim-jongs
Neither of the Kim Jong's seem particularly manipulative to be honest, in fact one begins to wonder whether they are not merely puppets themselves of the military infrastructure within North Korea? Neither are particularly subtle as someone like Stalin was and neither have had to to "climb the greasy pole" as Disraeli put it, being already elevated to that position by mere virtue of the birth.
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Hitler was arguably the most succesful - manipulating an entire country to be ok with genocide is one hell of a manipulation.
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Otto von Bismarck was pretty manipulative.
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I immediately thought of Stalin when I saw the title thread. He wasn't sadistic per se, just one cold mother****er.
I read somewhere recently that a British journalist asked to interview Stalin but was refused via a note expressing regret and signed personally by the man. Hitler's secretary, in her autobiography, alongside expressing shame of her mindless going along with the regime she served also said that her boss was equally kind to his workers. I'm not saying such people weren't cold but it's interesting how the coldest individuals can appear so civilised and warm at times, even for unknown, politically valueless individuals such as young journalists and secretaries. Perhaps all artificial and part of the manipulative character - but then, what did Stalin have to gain by sending that personally signed note to a nobody journalist, or Hitler in acts of kindness to lowly office staff?
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Rasputin.
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I am suprised posters have not mentioned religious leaders yet.
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Hitler was arguably the most succesful - manipulating an entire country to be ok with genocide is one hell of a manipulation.
I am not convinced that Hitler was. Unlike Stalin, Hitler was lazy, work-shy and his regime was chaotic.
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Hello, as your average person is shockingly ignorant and massively foolish, I thought it would be appropriate to create a thread to those individuals who have managed to manipulate everyone and everything in history.

Personally I am going for Joseph Stalin. Not only was he exceptionally intelligent. (Only Lenin was more well read in the Bolshevik's but he played left and right off against each other ( left being Kamnev and Zinoviev and right being Bukharin) in an amazing way. Oh he was completely ruthless, but ruthlessness does not mean a lack of intelligence. Stalin edited his opponents out of photographs and even the Vatican that most secretive of organisations wanted to ally with him. We must remember that the Bolshevik's were more than often not comprised of highly intelligent people such as Trostsky, so not your average foolish person and this means that Stalin's ruthlesssness and cunning is even more enhanced.

TL;DR Stalin ruthless but brillant, who do you think was the most manipulative person in history?
Hm, I think I am going for him as well.
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(Original post by Birkenhead)
I read somewhere recently that a British journalist asked to interview Stalin but was refused via a note expressing regret and signed personally by the man. Hitler's secretary, in her autobiography, alongside expressing shame of her mindless going along with the regime she served also said that her boss was equally kind to his workers. I'm not saying such people weren't cold but it's interesting how the coldest individuals can appear so civilised and warm at times, even for unknown, politically valueless individuals such as young journalists and secretaries. Perhaps all artificial and part of the manipulative character - but then, what did Stalin have to gain by sending that personally signed note to a nobody journalist, or Hitler in acts of kindness to lowly office staff?
Both Hitler and Stalin were relatively in touch. Both had abusive upbringings and Stalin had grown up in poverty. I noticed the same thing when reading about train robberies Stalin used to commit he did not murder or at least tried not to when he was commuting them. As for Hitler well he expressed kindness towards animals and disaproved of hunting.
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Rasputin.
Interesting. He was a masterful seducer from what I have read but why do you choose him compared to individuals like Stalin and Hitler?
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Otto von Bismarck was pretty manipulative.
Yes, I personally would put him second, with only Stalin as more manipulative.
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(Original post by Rational Thinker)
Personally I am going for Joseph Stalin. Not only was he exceptionally intelligent. (Only Lenin was more well read in the Bolshevik's but he played left and right off against each other ( left being Kamnev and Zinoviev and right being Bukharin) in an amazing way. Oh he was completely ruthless, but ruthlessness does not mean a lack of intelligence. Stalin edited his opponents out of photographs and even the Vatican that most secretive of organisations wanted to ally with him. We must remember that the Bolshevik's were more than often not comprised of highly intelligent people such as Trostsky, so not your average foolish person and this means that Stalin's ruthlesssness and cunning is even more enhanced.

TL;DR Stalin ruthless but brillant, who do you think was the most manipulative person in history?



Define "intelligent"... Living in a material world, where we almost immediately see how we would reap the benefits of our actions we forget what the soul purpose of us being here on earth is. In the end, as the LinkinPark, it doesn't even matter... This idea I'm attempting to reiterate in weak hope, to show that a person realising we are not everlasting entities, and we do in fact have an end, would have realised how to use their gained power for, good.


Using you words, he was "intelligent" at his ability to stay in power, but isn't that comparable to a strong gorilla standing on a table, beating its chest and throwing large, non-specific objects, at others trying to undermine its physical position. This may seem like an over-exaggeration, from the perspective of the bigger picture... we can only see that he brought his country to inevitable destruction, send his most valued specialists, generals, doctors into prison. He kept the whole country in constant fear, due to the KGB, which I would say would be superflous if he genuinly believed he was worthy of the position of power he fradulantly cheated to attain. By far the most ridiculous act, besides murduring countless citizens of his own country, when a messanger from Germany, managed to cross the border to tell him, that Hitler was going to attack the following day, he just shot him in his place and refused to believe it. When childish refusal to give up power and believe that he was to fight a savage battle..... I think are enough to say he was far from intelligent in my eyes.... Looking at the bigger picture he should have tried developing the country etc.
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