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Poll: gender, what is with that stuff?
i am a man and i think it is 100% social construct (5)
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i am a man and i think it is mostly social construct (18)
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i must say i am surprised how many people are voting for 100% anything.
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(Original post by chazwomaq)
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Inconsistency?
I don't believe that social constructs arose from nowhere and were assigned at random. There will be some biological basis for some of them occurring, but that doesn't mean they occur in every man or every woman. However, the way we teach people to behave produces a gulf in the traits of men and the traits of women that would not be there without socialisation.
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I am an Oak tree trapped in a white mans body. Until people recognise this then I will always be persecuted for something I cannot control!
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Right....We're taking about sex and gender here. What has associating with druggies got to do with the subject of this thread?
It's an example where you make an assumption about a person because of something about them, or are you too stupid to work that out?

If you seen a man, you are going to assume he has slightly different motivations and behavior about them compared to a woman; which is a very sensible thing to do. For example, a simple assumption might be that a man is more likely to be attracted to women than a woman. That's an assumption that people tend to make and is very sensible
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(Original post by Classical Liberal)
It's an example where you make an assumption about a person because of something about them, or are you too stupid to work that out?

If you seen a man, you are going to assume he has slightly different motivations and behavior about them compared to a woman; which is a very sensible thing to do.
Insert "black person", "person with blonde hair", "tall person" in the place of "man" to see how little sense that argument actually makes.
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Insert "black person", "person with blonde hair", "tall person" in the place of "man" to see how little sense that argument actually makes.
Well first overall, you have changed the parameters, making your point void. There may be no serial correlation between being blond and anything (except for nationality, ethnicity).

And secondly, not entirely. Here is a reasonable assumptions about say a black person in the UK. They are more likely to come from London than white person in the UK.
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Its not a social contruct, its just a natural appearance. What I wanted to say is that gender is a biological fact. What people think about the gender roles in society is just a matter of people.
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Well first overall, you have changed the parameters, making your point void.

And secondly, not entirely. Here is a reasonable assumptions about say a black person in the UK. They are more likely to come from London than white person in the UK.
So you can make a guess about their geographical origins based on a factual trend. Personality is much more vague and variable than where people live.
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It's a social construct. The only thing that makes men and women different is physical features. They are exactly the same inside and maybe in the future women will begin to take on the physical features of men. That is very likely to happen so soon, there will only be one gender.
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(Original post by Watch Key Phone)
So you can make a guess about their geographical origins based on a factual trend. Personality is much more vague and variable than where people live.
Men are more likely to be aggressive - how about that one? Men are more likely to be competitive?
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You're just basically repeating what I said.

Your example was stupid and has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
No I'm not. I am saying you should assume things about people. You said you shouldn't. and I gave an example to explain why you are wrong.
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(Original post by ArtGoblin)
I don't believe that social constructs arose from nowhere and were assigned at random. There will be some biological basis for some of them occurring, but that doesn't mean they occur in every man or every woman. However, the way we teach people to behave produces a gulf in the traits of men and the traits of women that would not be there without socialisation.
OK, that sounds reasonable to me.

In response to the OP, it is a false dichotomy to divide traits or behaviours into those from nature and those from socialization. Socialization can be part of natural processes.
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I think gender is almost completely socially constructed. Any apparent differences in behaviour are a result of social conditioning.
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It's not a social construct. Men naturally think and operate differently to women.
It's reasonable to assume that - it's all you've been taught your entire life. Most people are never asked to question whether these differences are 'natural' or whether how we think can be influenced by the society we grew up in. I'd advise that you read a little about gender theories - a few Wikipedia pages will do - just to see whether you're so sure about this when you actually know something about the topic.
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Depends on your definition of gender. If you think that gender is about women and men's roles and behaviours then I think that it's mostly a social construct, but obviously there's some natural element to it.

So I chose mostly social construct.
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Nature without a doubt.
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(Original post by ArtGoblin)
It's reasonable to assume that - it's all you've been taught your entire life. Most people are never asked to question whether these differences are 'natural' or whether how we think can be influenced by the society we grew up in. I'd advise that you read a little about gender theories - a few Wikipedia pages will do - just to see whether you're so sure about this when you actually know something about the topic.
if society was perfect and gender was never an issue, do you think that the number of women exposing their genitals to a random viewer on chatroulette would be 50% as opposed to zero as it is in our present world?
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It's a social construct. The only thing that makes men and women different is physical features. They are exactly the same inside and maybe in the future women will begin to take on the physical features of men. That is very likely to happen so soon, there will only be one gender.
they are not "exactly the same inside" and tbh your last sentence is ridiculous


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(Original post by ArtGoblin)
It's reasonable to assume that - it's all you've been taught your entire life. Most people are never asked to question whether these differences are 'natural' or whether how we think can be influenced by the society we grew up in. I'd advise that you read a little about gender theories - a few Wikipedia pages will do - just to see whether you're so sure about this when you actually know something about the topic.
It is not reasonable to read a few Wikipedia pages, books, anthropology classes as that and make such a sweeping statement. I get the feeling you that you want gender to be socially constructed so you can fit it in a nice PC world-view that you have. There is clearly a significant biological difference between men and women on every level - and it is very reasonable that this has a massive effect upon how they behave, similarly it is true that society dictates in part how men and women act - but there is no way you can just state it is largely a social construct.
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they are not "exactly the same inside" and tbh your last sentence is ridiculous


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Well it wasn't the case in the past but now women have been masculinised, they are the same as men inside. They act like men.
And my last sentence isn't ridiculous, it is a realistic scenario which could happen soon.
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