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(Original post by iainvg)
Says you, the one who has not done A Levels or a Degree, and haven't got a job in the industry.

I, on the other hand, have all three. So please take your ill-informed insults elsewhere.


Planto: Without a sound knowledge in design, a back-end developer will have a tendency to produce crap products. It can be flawless on the back end, but if it doesn't work well with the front end it isn't going to be of much use. We had one like that, they lasted a month.
>Degree
>Has to de front end and back end design
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(Original post by rmhumphries)
Medium to large companies will. Smaller companies may not.
There is more overlap at smaller companies, but the trend is definitely towards separating the roles and it will continue like that. We have a very small web team at the place I work at, and we have a guy dedicated to design work. I've also seen plenty of small agencies who make a clear distinction between front-end and back-end development.
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(Original post by Kerny)
There is more overlap at smaller companies, but the trend is definitely towards separating the roles and it will continue like that. We have a very small web team at the place I work at, and we have a guy dedicated to design work. I've also seen plenty of small agencies who make a clear distinction between front-end and back-end development.
At the end of the day, there are very few people who are talented front end and back end developers, so it makes sense to split the roles, it just depends on if the team can afford to hire people who only do one of the two.
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(Original post by iainvg)
Not if you want a job in the real world, there isn't.
You should add some more clarity to this. Only small operations such as small digital studios or independent freelancers tend to take on roles as designers and developers. Medium to global digital agencies will split this into many different roles from Web designer, Front-end developer and Back-end web developer. Global digital agencies will add more roles into the mix including UX designer, Presentation-layer developer and Technical architect.

I have a passion for both web design and front-end development but when I graduated, I found it very tricky to find a job that took on both roles. All the roles I encountered at decent digital agencies split these roles as defined above. I ended up having to make a choice between being a web designer or a front-end developer.

University taught me how to be a generalist capable of developing web applications from UX to back-end development but from my experience and looking at many job postings at the time the industry wants specialists not generalists. This could possibly depend on where you are looking for a job though.

I consider myself fortunate to have a job in a global digitial agency working with some of the best in the industry.
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Most serious companies will be willing to hire a front end developer, a back end developer and a UI/UX designer.

With technologies crossing over and more emerging then the best thing is to know as much as possible about it all.

In response to the OP, trying to stay on track, I would say learn in this order and go through.

1. HTML5 (mark up), CSS(styling), JavaScript (client side scripting).
2. Front end frameworks such as Twitter Bootstrap, Boilerplate and Zurb Foundation
3. PHP + Framework such as CakePHP or Ruby on Rails (server side scripting)
4. JQuery Plugins, WordPress, Node and any other cool things

1. Get the hang of HTML5, adding a stylesheet and then get used to customising elements using CSS. Don't delve straight into a framework. Stick to the basics and make sure you understand them. Once you are fairly fine then look at Javascript and try and get your head around some loops and statements and outputting the date to the browser. Then move on to form validation.

2. From then on do the same but use Twitter Bootstrap. Customise the CSS to stop the site looking like Bootstrap by overriding the styles. You should still be practicing your Javascript at this point whereby you gain a good understanding of programming logic. Other languages will have a different syntax but often the logic is the same and its great to get you thinking in that way before trying harder stuff. Don't delve into JQuery this early as you need to understand Javascript, not just use other peoples.

3. Get stuck into a server side language and framework. Im on the transition period now going from PHP and Laravel to Ruby on Rails. I much prefer it and its cleaner and Im enjoying it more. PHP has its plus points and ignore the snobbery from some out there who hate PHP or Ruby or Perl or Python. Test them all out if you have to and find the language you can get to grips with best. Theres plenty of time to learn the others in the future.

4. Start using JQuery plugins and look at the underlying code. Try and edit things and make MIT licensed plugins do what you want them to do. Make them your plugins by adding your styles to them. Look at WordPress if you want but I'd recommend not bothering too soon as you might just think 'this is easier' and lose motivation as I know some have done. Look at things like Node, Backbone and AngularJS. These are all things you will want to know.


Also, search daily on Google 'web design freebies' and look around. Download things you think may come in handy and save them in a graphics folder.
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