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    (Original post by PeaceTreaty)
    Yeah and this is just one war. Also would like stats for the amount of people killed by Jihadists.
    Your stats where over 10 years. That's a long time plus not all of them were killed by British troops. Those nations have the highest rates of terror incidents. Anybody can pull of a 10 year old story, I could do the same yet the Jihadists/Sunni-Shia incidents won't be recorded if bombs don't go off..

    How many terror attacks have been thwarted in the West as well you have to remember.

    28 people where killed today deliberately by Terrorists in Somalia. Not by accident, apples and scones.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/1...9AI08K20131119
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    (Original post by Jjj90)
    Ah I see... that must be why you refuse to pay your taxes? Right...?

    Everyone thinks they're so noble and smart but everyones a gutless hypocrite.
    Who are you to say I don't pay my taxes? With the same reasoning I could say you support innocent children being murdered just because I don't agree with you.
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    (Original post by PeaceTreaty)
    Who are you to say I don't pay my taxes? With the same reasoning I could say you support innocent children being murdered.
    Where are the stats to prove that all Troops go to Iraq to murder children :confused: you sound extremely ignorant right now. That's a grand generalization.

    A perverse way of insulting what they sign up for. Calling all the troops child killers is no different to calling all Muslims terrorists.
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    (Original post by PeaceTreaty)
    Who are you to say I don't pay my taxes? With the same reasoning I could say you support innocent children being murdered.
    I didn't say you don't. I was being ironic. You say the government is worse than terrorists... but no doubt you'll spend your entire life throwing money at them.

    And obviously the same logic doesn't apply to me as i'm not comparing terrorists with our government.
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    I find it very disappointing.
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    (Original post by CryptoidAlien)
    Where are the stats to prove that all Troops go to Iraq to murder children :confused: you sound extremely ignorant right now. That's a grand generalization.

    A perverse way of insulting what they sign up for. Calling all the troops child killers is no different to calling all Muslims terrorists.
    You're reading out of context, look at what I'm quoting. Hint: "with your reasoning." You're looking really ignorant right now.
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    (Original post by CryptoidAlien)
    I've noticed the ongoing spite toward Troops: Labelling them Murderers and child killers. Terms in my mind, we often do not hear many people label terrorists these days.

    In just in general I notice much criticism and dislike of our troops, with nobody speaking of the good work they do, or stop to think if their are 'bad' one it's only a minority.

    What's the deal.
    There's no need to do that for terrorists, because it would just be stating the obvious. Everybody is already aware of the atrocities that terrorists commit. But a lot of people respect troops (both the army as an institution, and individuals simply for belonging to it).

    A person who thinks that troops are scum will probably talk about that more, in an attempt to make other people realise it. People already realise it for terrorists, so there isn't much need.
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    Because terrorists are renown the world over for their massive humanitarian aid training.

    HMS Daring delivers aid to typhoon hit island
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    Royal Navy sailors are on the island of Guintacan which suffered extensive damage to buildings and infrastructure during Typhoon Haiyan.

    Three people lost their lives and many were wounded from being hit by flying objects, with little medical care provided as there was just 1 nurse with dwindling medical supplies.

    After spotting the island’s distress call, where the word ‘HELP’ was spelt out on a playground, HMS Daring brought a medical team from Save the Children to set up clinics around the main villages.

    Life-saving humanitarian aid
    Members of HMS Daring's crew with life-saving humanitarian aid at Cebu [Picture: Able Seaman (Warfare Specialist) Chris Oldland, Crown copyright]
    Island nurse Angeleigh Espinosa is on a year’s contract to be the island’s main medical carer, and works at her clinic with a part-time midwife:

    The majority of people I see have coughs and aches and pains but when the storm came I had a lot of people coming in with big wounds,” she said.

    Most of them had been hit by nails that flew out of the buildings and gave them puncture wounds.

    We are very glad to see the medical teams and the ship because we were running out of bandages and bandage tape and a few other medical supplies and I wasn’t sure if I could get any more very quickly.

    A team of sailors also set to work to repair the local school’s roof which had been completely stripped of its corrugated iron sheets, and cleared the inside of debris and stagnant water.

    The children have not been able to go to school for more than a week, but classes should begin again tomorrow.

    As well as repairing the buildings, the sailors cleared fallen trees, and electrical teams assessed the extent of damage to one of the 2 generators for the village’s power supply.

    One generator is fully serviceable,” explained Deputy Marine Engineering Officer Lieutenant Wendy Frame.

    The other has some minor defects as the wind moved it away from its stand, but they have enough fuel to run them both so they are not short of that supply.

    The issue is that the power lines are down and we have spoken to the Department for International Development representatives on board who will report the issue to the authorities to get it fixed for them.

    The ship’s crew handed out 137 shelter packs which each contain 4 shelters. Just one can cover a house, sheltering large families of between 5 and 10 people at a time.

    The local water well was also checked, and although there was some initial concern about possible contamination, there have been very few incidents of sickness.

    All villagers use tablets to purify their drinking water which are passed to them by the island nurse.

    Other areas of the island also suffered extensive damage, including the villages of Bitoon, Pasiil and Langob and their suburbs, where shelter was deemed the highest priority by the local people.

    Officer of the Watch Lieutenant Rebecca Brown said:

    Many of the smaller fishing villages were devastated as, apart from a few concrete structures that were still standing, their houses were made from bamboo and rush so they were completely flattened.

    Their fishing boats were also destroyed which in turn affects their livelihoods.

    One woman, an 85-year-old, told me it was the worst storm she had seen hit the island and that she and her son had been completely terrified.

    Hopefully these shelter kits will give them some desperately needed shade and somewhere to sleep while they try and rebuild their lives.

    Antonio Ulises Perez of Save the Children said they hoped they had made a significant impact on the population’s health.

    You always arrive and think that you might not be able to make much of an impact,” he said, “but today we helped a great many people and covered a number of life-saving needs.

    The sailors have been amazing – they are so committed and motivated and their logistics are extremely impressive.

    HMS Daring is the first in class of the Royal Navy’s 6 new Type 45 destroyers, which are the largest and most powerful destroyers ever built for the Navy.
    A Portsmouth-based air defence warship, she is two-thirds of the way through a 9-month deployment and was taking part in an exercise with Australia, New Zealand, Singapore and Malaysia as part of the Five Power Defence Arrangements when she was retasked to the Philippines.

    Following the distribution of aid on Guintacan she will now go to the north east coast of Panay to provide assistance to a small group of islands there.


    The people on that ship are the exact same class of people in the Army. They joined the Armed Forces to serve their country and they are out saving lives.
    Aside from the colour of their uniform they are quantifiably no different to anyone in the Army at all.

    You still want to be so quick to label them terrorists?
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Because terrorists are renown the world over for their massive humanitarian aid training.

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    The people on that ship are the exact same class of people in the Army. They joined the Armed Forces to serve their country and they are out saving lives.
    Aside from the colour of their uniform they are quantifiably no different to anyone in the Army at all.

    You still want to be so quick to label them terrorists?
    I applaud you. The Troops do a lot in terms of aid yet it never gets mentioned.
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    (Original post by Jjj90)
    I didn't say you don't. I was being ironic. You say the government is worse than terrorists... but no doubt you'll spend your entire life throwing money at them.

    And obviously the same logic doesn't apply to me as i'm not comparing terrorists with our government.
    By definition the state is a terrorist so you're funding a terrorist organisation regardless of if you admit. I don't disagree with you saying it's ironic though.
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    (Original post by CryptoidAlien)
    I applaud you. The Troops do a lot in terms of aid yet it never gets mentioned.
    Not to mention, even in combat, British forces as a matter of routine treat injured enemy combatants, and offer them world class care, exactly the same immediate care as is given to British soldiers. Obviously excluding one prominent example outstanding.

    That is a courtesy not extended by any terrorist organisation I know of.
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    (Original post by PeaceTreaty)
    By definition the state is a terrorist so you're funding a terrorist organisation regardless of if you admit. I don't disagree with you saying it's ironic though.
    lol, is that objective?
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    (Original post by PeaceTreaty)
    By definition the state is a terrorist so you're funding a terrorist organisation regardless of if you admit. I don't disagree with you saying it's ironic though.
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=te...fe=off&spell=1

    Where is your proof that the definition of terrorism de facto incorporates the British Government? I would say it is not a clear cut definition by any yard stick.
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    (Original post by Jjj90)
    lol, is that objective?
    I'd say Google is objective so Google "define terrorist."
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    (Original post by PeaceTreaty)
    By definition the state is a terrorist
    If you have a very loose definition of the word, possibly...

    "the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation (terror) in the pursuit of political aims."

    States (or at least, the British State) do(es) not aim or intend to inflict terror and when it does use or threaten military intervention it is doing so (99.9999% of the time) with legal authority. The only targets of such military intervention are those which would never succumb to terror (ie, you can't terrorise an Army, they are trained to expect and deal with violence).

    I always find the "states are terrorists" argument to be very vague.
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    (Original post by c471)
    Not to mention, even in combat, British forces as a matter of routine treat injured enemy combatants, and offer them world class care, exactly the same immediate care as is given to British soldiers. Obviously excluding one prominent example outstanding.

    That is a courtesy not extended by any terrorist organisation I know of.
    Well, Brit-bashing has become a norm. It's looked as fair game nowadays regarding anything. Demeaning or patronizing them has become very mainstream.

    Sad issue is that most of the people making these comments are actually indigenous English people.
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    Now try that with 'government'.
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    (Original post by c471)
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=te...fe=off&spell=1

    Where is your proof that the definition of terrorism de facto incorporates the British Government? I would say it is not a clear cut definition by any yard stick.
    So the British government can't be a terrorist because it's the British government? Speaking of governments, would you not call the USA's mass dropping of bomb in random places in the Middle East anything but an act of terrorism?
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    (Original post by PeaceTreaty)
    I'd say Google is objective so Google "define terrorist."
    The goal of terrorists is to kill innocent people. The goal of the war in Iraq is to fight those terrorists.

    Why are you comparing the mindset of a trooper to that of a terrorist. You're leaving out intent, yet speaking of definitions..
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    (Original post by PeaceTreaty)
    So the British government can't be a terrorist because it's the British government? Speaking of governments, would you not call the USA's mass dropping of bomb in random places in the Middle East anything but an act of terrorism?
    What I call it is irrelevant. If it is 'by definition' opinion has no place.
    I never said anything like you suggest. If it is 'by definition' a terrorist organisation, you should be able to come up with a credible backing to that. One that does not rely on opinions.
 
 
 
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