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    (Original post by Effy.)
    US all the way, I'd like to be in a sorority.
    (Original post by techno-thriller)
    Ameriucan schools are way better than England.
    Why is that?
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    (Original post by Alpha brah)
    How is US grad school "objectively" better, at the risk of asking the obvious?
    A UK doctoral course (at least in the arts and social sciences) amounts to the promise of supervision and library lending rights. For a lucky minority there will as well be three years of funding for fees and living costs.

    In the US, the doctoral course will be 5 or 6 years long and funded throughout and for all enrolled, though you might have to work for some of it which won't be true in the UK. The first two years will involve a heavy schedule of examined classes and seminars in the subject and often compulsory classes in a foreign language. the third year will be spent preparing for a 'qualifying examination' that is a thorough oral grilling and as well on writing an article for publication.

    Moreover, US doctoral theses increasingly often take the form 'topics in...' where the student will write a series of loosely related papers of journal publication length, such that these collectively amount to approx. 80,000 words. In Britain we continue to require of doctoral candidates that they be trained for the increasingly little-regarded capacity to create a book-length monograph.

    And the relationship between the doctoral student and her supervisor is such that supervisors will list the students they have supervised on their CVs. While departments will actively promote their students in the marketplace and publish placement records.

    Here are pages from a randomly chosen PhD course in the US, albeit at one of the best universities: http://history.berkeley.edu/graduate...aduate-program


    (Original post by Alpha brah)
    I think the Ivy League beats the Russell Group generally for undergrad. But Oxbridge specifically might be another matter.
    for Oxbridge it is certainly a different matter, as that offers the best undergraduate experience in the world. There are a very few US schools that can rival it on its particular merits but these are typically not in the Ivy League. I think here of Amherst, Swarthmore, Sarah Lawrence, Harvey Mudd, Williams and so on.

    I wonder more generally if you're making the popular in Britain mistake of thinking that the Ivy League is a collection of the best US schools or something like the Russell Group. It is not and is only a historical athletics conference of schools selected for their being (i) socially exclusive, and (ii) geographically close, such that there could be regular football-meets and rowing races. It admits no new members and has admitted none for 150 years.

    Three of the very best schools in the US, Harvard, Yale and Princeton are in the Ivy League, but many others are not, and not least because not in that small pocket of the American North East. Would you sooner go to Dartmouth or Berkeley? Brown or Stanford? Cornell or Caltech?
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