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    (Original post by She-RaBrighton)
    National Voter Registration Day will be held on 5th February this year. Are you already registered, do you plan to use your vote in the future? Do you vote now?

    http://bitetheballot.co.uk/nvrd/takepart/

    Bite the Ballot are aiming to add more than 250,000 people to the register in just one day and their main focus is 16-24 year olds.

    Do you think this will be a positive and powerful step forward in the fight against political apathy?

    Are you guys interested in being involved in the NVRD Campaign?
    I believe that the right to vote is incredibly important and as such i have voted Tory in every election since 2007 (when i turned 18) at a local, national and European level. I am currently leaning towards voting for the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats at the European election (our parties are part of coalitions within the European Parliament and the Tory group is smaller, more Euro-skeptic and agrees with a lot of things that the ALDP want anyway) however i plan to vote Tory again at the local and general elections.
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    If you want to participate in society – give and take, neither are acceptable by themselves – you have a duty to not just vote but to make an educated vote.
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    (Original post by She-RaBrighton)
    From what I see and hear there seems to be a lot of support for UKIP right now - they've been mentioned a few times already in this thread - why do think that is?
    because nigel called us president a damp rag then had a plane crash hint hint.
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    I'm registered and always vote. The alternatives are worse.
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    (Original post by She-RaBrighton)
    National Voter Registration Day will be held on 5th February this year. Are you already registered, do you plan to use your vote in the future? Do you vote now?

    http://bitetheballot.co.uk/nvrd/takepart/

    Bite the Ballot are aiming to add more than 250,000 people to the register in just one day and their main focus is 16-24 year olds.

    Do you think this will be a positive and powerful step forward in the fight against political apathy?

    Are you guys interested in being involved in the NVRD Campaign?
    Assuming this question isn't too intrusive, which party will you vote for in 2015?
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    (Original post by Swanbow)
    Voted once before in the 2011 Local elections. I'll definitely vote in this years EU elections and the 2015 general election. Just wish that we had a more proportional system in this country, first past the post is a joke.
    Not necessarily - While FPTP is a fundamentally flawed system when looked into - Proportional representation was ditched because it is too long, complicated, and results in a plethora of problems FPTP doesn't have

    Sounds good in theory mate, but the execution of it might be sloppy :/
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    Not necessarily - While FPTP is a fundamentally flawed system when looked into - Proportional representation was ditched because it is too long, complicated, and results in a plethora of problems FPTP doesn't have

    Sounds good in theory mate, but the execution of it might be sloppy :/
    how is proportional representation "too long"? and even if it was longer to determine the seats than FPTP, so what? wouldn't it be worth the wait? and how is the execution sloppy? scandinevia seems pretty fine with PR and they enjoy stability within their legislatures.
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    (Original post by Chad_Bronson)
    Not necessarily - While FPTP is a fundamentally flawed system when looked into - Proportional representation was ditched because it is too long, complicated, and results in a plethora of problems FPTP doesn't have

    Sounds good in theory mate, but the execution of it might be sloppy :/
    Look to my second comment to see my opinion on why electoral reform is desperately needed. Proportional representation is too long? And changing the constituency borders at every parliament in order to ensure at least one party takes a majority isn't? Depending on what form of PR you use it can actually be remarkably simple, especially compared to FPTP. The primarily problem with PR is that we are unlikely to have majority governments, yet Europe get on perfectly well with it and the coalition has hardly been a resounding failure has it? And why should a party without the majority of the public support get to decide policy anyhow, how is that democratic?

    There are a variety of different system we could use from regional party list, such as we use for the EU elections, to a hybrid mixed members system such as the one used by Germany. Both of which work fine, and aren't exactly 'sloppy'.
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    (Original post by Plainview)
    If you want to participate in society – give and take, neither are acceptable by themselves – you have a duty to not just vote but to make an educated vote.
    I'll vote if i'm not doing anything else that day. But I don't think i'll ever make a point of going out of my way to vote, not as long as my vote is worthless.

    My area has been a conservative stronghold for decades and doesn't look like changing anytime soon. So as long as the current voting system is in place my vote is pretty much just thrown out. I'll start taking it seriously when i'm actually given the opportunity to influence things.
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    (Original post by illegaltobepoor)
    Make no mistake. UK is going to default on its debts. Its not a case of the UK managing its deficit. Its a case of interest rates in the USA. If foreign bond holders catch onto the fact that USA is a banna republic the same will happen to the UK and Japan.

    Fact is interest rates for Bonds are a low as they've ever been. We have been on a flat line interest rate of 0.5% which allows more QE and borrowing. Interest rates are going to rise and we are going to be in 1970 all over again.

    But its even worse than that. We have a combined debt level of 900% + to GDP. We are in the same position as Germany after WW1. We will not be able to pay our debts if interest rates rise and it doesn't matter if we cut all public sector spending. We wouldn't be able to pay.
    Not that I support huge borrowing, but we will not default. No way. That 900% figure is good to scare people, but public and external debt is only around 500, the rest is household debt, banks etc. (500% is still big but you know)

    Comparisons to Weimar are silly - they were affected by the Great Depression, when the States called back it's loans, at the same time as other countries devalued and left Germany out to dry in terms of exports. Nobody is going to recall their loans anytime soon, and it's unlikely that the US or China are going to devalue. (The best option for the UK would actually be to devalue, but I don't see Gideon or Balls doing that anytime soon).

    It is also worth noting that, regarding external debt, the UK is almost a net creditor, we're only about 300,000 in the hole in terms of total assets minus total debts.

    Of course we're not in a good position, but we're certainly not Weimar, or Greece or Portugal. I don't support an economic system that runs on debt, but that's what the world has got and had for decades.
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    (Original post by Republic1)
    Not that I support huge borrowing, but we will not default. No way. That 900% figure is good to scare people, but public and external debt is only around 500, the rest is household debt, banks etc. (500% is still big but you know)

    Comparisons to Weimar are silly - they were affected by the Great Depression, when the States called back it's loans, at the same time as other countries devalued and left Germany out to dry in terms of exports. Nobody is going to recall their loans anytime soon, and it's unlikely that the US or China are going to devalue. (The best option for the UK would actually be to devalue, but I don't see Gideon or Balls doing that anytime soon).

    It is also worth noting that, regarding external debt, the UK is almost a net creditor, we're only about 300,000 in the hole in terms of total assets minus total debts.

    Of course we're not in a good position, but we're certainly not Weimar, or Greece or Portugal. I don't support an economic system that runs on debt, but that's what the world has got and had for decades.
    Interesting that you want to devalue given inflationary pressure is already subjecting some to hardship.

    Largely agree with the rest.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Interesting that you want to devalue given inflationary pressure is already subjecting some to hardship.

    Largely agree with the rest.

    Yeah, well you know I'm a socialist so my view on the capitalist economic system might not always be 100% in line with what end result I want as a socialist.

    It's probably too late to devalue now, considering the latest economic figures. (Spending up, economy slowly growing etc). If we'd have done it a few years ago, when the economy was still in recession, we might have been okay.

    When the economy was in recession and there was excess capacity the increase in demand fueled by devaluation would be unlikely to cause inflation. Similarly, at the time consumer spending was low and so increased demand would be unlikely to lead to large levels of inflation. The only snagging point would be that businesses would have to be willing to take lower profit margins, which is unlikely.
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    (Original post by Republic1)
    Yeah, well you know I'm a socialist so my view on the capitalist economic system might not always be 100% in line with what end result I want as a socialist.

    It's probably too late to devalue now, considering the latest economic figures. (Spending up, economy slowly growing etc). If we'd have done it a few years ago, when the economy was still in recession, we might have been okay.

    When the economy was in recession and there was excess capacity the increase in demand fueled by devaluation would be unlikely to cause inflation. Similarly, at the time consumer spending was low and so increased demand would be unlikely to lead to large levels of inflation. The only snagging point would be that businesses would have to be willing to take lower profit margins, which is unlikely.
    We did initially devalue about 30% but yeah, perhaps it would have helped.
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    Voting UKIP.
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    In the interests of a nice healthy debate—

    Why do people who say they will be voting for UKIP support them? Is it anti-EU, and if so, why? Or is it more of a protest vote?

    (Genuine question... )
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    I vote all the time. Conservatives will of course again be worthy of my vote.

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    I'll be voting for UKIP.

    FPTP means my vote is worthless nomatter who I vote for, so I may as well vote on principle rather than pragmatism.
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    (Original post by Swanbow)
    Voted once before in the 2011 Local elections. I'll definitely vote in this years EU elections and the 2015 general election. Just wish that we had a more proportional system in this country, first past the post is a joke.
    EU elections in Scotland, England & Wales don't use FPTP. They use a much better D'Hondt method. It's pretty proportional for party lists and for single votes, but it doesn't allow for preferential or multiple voting like some systems, not that it needs to really as many MEPs are elected in each area, but I suppose a multiple vote would work in this scenario. You could give half your votes to UKIP and half to Con for example (as they're both centre right - right).

    Alternative Vote (AV) actually tends towards a few party system as well, or at least doesn't tend away from it. We know that it would have made minimal impact on our own gov't. Although maybe the Tories shot themselves in the foot with going against it, especially with the rise of UKIP. We'll have to wait and see.

    I think we can only adopt a more proportional voting system if we move away from constituencies and move towards an overall national party list vote (probably impossible due to independents) or a regional system just like European elections, although they'd have to be smaller areas due to the number of MPs. Would this be a good thing? I don't know. I like my MP, often see him around, and of course he's in the same party as me Of course we could just half constituencies and hold MMP or Additional Member System votes (we can't exactly double seats)

    I also think we'd lose some of the MP - constituent relationship and maybe MPs would be less likely to listen to their constituents? I've got no idea, depends how it's implemented I suppose. What I'm trying to say is we'll have to deal with FPTP for now, AV isn't going to help and something more radical is the only thing that's going to make a difference in GEs.
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    (Original post by OMGWTFBBQ)
    I'll be voting for UKIP.

    FPTP means my vote is worthless nomatter who I vote for, so I may as well vote on principle rather than pragmatism.
    Assuming you're talking about European elections, it's not FPTP. See my post above.
 
 
 
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