Malaysian MP's pledge to "chop off heads'' of those who ridicule Islam Watch

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I think that you'll find that has happened to many people over the years. However, I don't see what that has to do with Malaysia.

So, you think that they are justified in calling for the violent death of those who criticise Islam?

Not only does the Quran call on Muslims to fight the unbelievers until there is no more fitnah, but we see regular demonstrations advocating the same. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

No, I'm not. Could you reference them please?

- your comment wasn't related specifically to Malaysia, it was a general comment that Islam condones this type of behaviour, when it does not.

- Of course not, it was counteracting your claim that this is solely to do with Islam, I was merely illustrating that other factors play a part. You don't get your average Muslim in the UK, USA, even countries like Morocco, calling for the beheading of anyone who criticises Islam, except for those who are working for MI5.

-In a very limited context, such as in a defensive war. As usual, ignore all the other verses. It's much more a reflection of you, how you choose to interpret the Qu'ran.

- Zakariya Razi who got handed his hat by Abu Hatim Razi in a famous debate, and who has been reincarnated by Western rationalists to refute religion. There are many more, find them yourself, if you're genuinely interested.
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You don't get your average Muslim in the UK, USA, even countries like Morocco, calling for the beheading of anyone who criticises Islam
Although those calling for beheadings are in a minority (12% of British Muslims - ICM Telegraph), a Guardian/ICM poll found that 58% of British Muslims think that those who insult or criticise Islam should face criminal prosecution.

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Zakariya Razi who got handed his hat by Abu Hatim Razi in a famous debate,
History seems to have a different view of the two men. Compare their entries...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamma...kariya_al-Razi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hat...Hamdan_al-Razi
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Although those calling for beheadings are in a minority (12% of British Muslims - ICM Telegraph), a Guardian/ICM poll found that 58% of British Muslims think that those who insult or criticise Islam should face criminal prosecution.

History seems to have a different view of the two men. Compare their entries...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamma...kariya_al-Razi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hat...Hamdan_al-Razi
-Are these made up polls? I can't find them anywhere.

-You asked for the names of the philosophers who could insult Islam with no repercussion, and Zakariya Razi was allowed to do so, freely. Also, he was handed his hat by Al-Razi, I don't see how his accomplishments deny that & of course Wiki is going to have more on him, like I said he's been reincarnated by Western rationalists, but Ibn Sina, Suhrawardi, Al Tusi etc. are nonetheless still well known.
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Check out the Caliphate poll, quite scary.
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Isn't it only theft that Islam commands the hand to be cut off for?
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thats unfair..
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The way left wing students defend religion is just bizarre. If there was no religion in the world it would factually be a much much better place.

Religion is the main cause of extremism in the world today. That's not to say all religious people are extremists, but most extremists are religious. It's just a completely different way of life to what we enjoy in the West. These Malaysian MPs have no concept of virtues like freedom of religion and expression. I simply see it as more fact than opinion that our culture in the West is more superior and more tolerant, and must be defended and spread where possible, to ensure that minorities in these countries who don't subscribe to the state-sponsored religious doctrine are safe. We should be willing to consider military interventions in individual cases if required. Sovereignty is never an excuse to commit human rights violations.
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And there was me thinking Malaysia was fairly moderate.


But it seems that the number of crazies there are similar to the number in Pakistan.
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I'm afraid that you guys have kind of got it wrong on this one.

The incident you are referring to is actually the opposite of what you think it it.

The MP in question is part of a coalition and is from what we would consider a BNP-type racial supremacy party.

The people he was calling for the "beheading" of, were opposition MPs from the conservative Islamic party - they're the religious hardliners.


What you had here was an idiot from one party trying to stand on the natural ground of the other. It would be rather like Ed Miliband calling on David Cameron to resign for increasing taxation on the rich.

Malaysian politics is exceptionally petty and spiteful and this kind of thing happens all the time, you can't really pick on this as an example or really much to do with Islam at all. In addition, he did clarify that he was referring to an organisational or political beheading - i.e. for them to be voted out of office.

But don't let that spoil your thread.
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And there was me thinking Malaysia was fairly moderate.


But it seems that the number of crazies there are similar to the number in Pakistan.
Malaysia is relatively moderate. Show me a Muslim country where you can openly drink, gamble and have boobies plastered all over the place. I can only think of Turkey.
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Malaysia is relatively moderate. Show me a Muslim country where you can openly drink, gamble and have boobies plastered all over the place. I can only think of Turkey.
Kazakhstan.

But you can openly drink in a lot of Islamic tourist areas.

And I was referring to the attitudes of the people, not the laws.
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Kazakhstan.

But you can openly drink in a lot of Islamic tourist areas.
Fair enough. That's two countries as "liberal" as Malaysia.

What goes on in the tourist areas isn't the issue - it's what you can openly do in the country at large. Lots of places have tourist industries they want to protect.

Malaysia only pays lip service to religion. They even have "Western" weeks, i.e. adhere to the Saturday/Sunday weekend. Women generally wear what they like. They have the one of the largest casinos in Asia (considering that's up against HK and Macau, and that's saying something) which freely allows Malays to enter and play.

Booze is sold and advertised everywhere.

Up until recently there were Jewish communities and even a synagogue.
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I'd love to tell them this when they come over on a visit.

Me: 'Hi Malaysian PM'
Malaysian PM: 'Oh hi Snag'
Me: 'Btw ur relign is dumb'
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