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    (Original post by ando181)
    Social skills are important but academics are also, if not more. My point is, a UK medical or dental student had to go through 10000 hoops to get in, including academics. They should not lose foundation places to EU grads.
    The point I was replying to was that A levels dictate your academic ability from there on out. What stops you from going back to GCSEs? Or even KS3 SATs? My point was that these are irrelevant qualifications and the only real indication of poor academic ability should be a failure to graduate from medical school
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    (Original post by teen1234)
    They are allowed to practise in the country. I think this is the general feeling amongst UK dental/medical students though, UK grads shouldn't lose places to EU grads. It would be a complete waste of taxpayer's money (150k per student)
    No I'm pretty sure the private med schools don't have gmc accreditation and the bma is completely opposed to them. So they can't work here. Don't know where they'd stand if they took the plab though?
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    (Original post by Hippokrates)
    No I'm pretty sure the private med schools don't have gmc accreditation and the bma is completely opposed to them. So they can't work here. Don't know where they'd stand if they took the plab though?
    Good on the GMC and BMA, dont want to see this country turn into america.
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    I got to ask this: Who in their right mind wouldn't want to read medicine in the Caribbean instead of Tooting?
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    If EU grads were thoroughly assessed for competency in UK medicine (which is potentially very different to medicine elsewhere e.g. the countries that don't really examine patients any more), then it doesn't matter where they are from or what grades they had before.

    Big 'if' though. Anecdotally doctors from overseas struggle far more on the foundation program than UK grads, and you've got the pretty dire performance of EEA grads in postgraduate exams, substantially below even the poorest performing UK med schools.

    I am generally very pro-europe but this does seem to be an area where compatibility and comparability seems to be an issue. Perhaps this is a NIMBY complaint about dem immigrants taking our jobs though... hard to know if i'm being objective.
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    (Original post by nexttime)
    If EU grads were thoroughly assessed for competency in UK medicine (which is potentially very different to medicine elsewhere e.g. the countries that don't really examine patients any more), then it doesn't matter where they are from or what grades they had before.

    Big 'if' though. Anecdotally doctors from overseas struggle far more on the foundation program than UK grads, and you've got the pretty dire performance of EEA grads in postgraduate exams, substantially below even the poorest performing UK med schools.

    I am generally very pro-europe but this does seem to be an area where compatibility and comparability seems to be an issue. Perhaps this is a NIMBY complaint about dem immigrants taking our jobs though... hard to know if i'm being objective.
    A lot of the UK medical schools aren't listed, why?
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    (Original post by teen1234)
    A lot of the UK medical schools aren't listed, why?
    Couldn't get data for the newer ones i guess. Do you mean to suggest that maybe they do worse than Europe? Maybe, but its definitely not going to drop the average: EEA grads do terribly in UK exams.
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    (Original post by nexttime)
    Couldn't get data for the newer ones i guess. Do you mean to suggest that maybe they do worse than Europe? Maybe, but its definitely not going to drop the average: EEA grads do terribly in UK exams.
    No I was just wondering. I doubt there will be much of a difference between the other UK medical schools, the academics of the students aren't much different between the majority of medical schools.
    Not surpried EEA grads do worse in UK exams, especially the one originally from the UK
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    Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't the pass grades much higher in those EU schools compared to UK ones? Someone I know studies abroad, I heard it was 60-70% just for a pass depending on the institution, whereas all UK ones are 50%. May be wrong. On the whole I agree with the principle of giving UK grads priority though, good that the GDC operates that way and it should be the same for medicine
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    (Original post by bertstare)
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't the pass grades much higher in those EU schools compared to UK ones? Someone I know studies abroad, I heard it was 60-70% just for a pass depending on the institution, whereas all UK ones are 50%. May be wrong. On the whole I agree with the principle of giving UK grads priority though, good that the GDC operates that way and it should be the same for medicine
    Getting 60-70% in one exam might be a lot easier than getting 50% in another o I dont think thats a fair comparison.
    I know for a fact the drop out rates at Eu universities are insanely high whilst at UK medicine & dentistry drop out rate is 1-2%
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    (Original post by teen1234)
    Getting 60-70% in one exam might be a lot easier than getting 50% in another o I dont think thats a fair comparison.
    I know for a fact the drop out rates at Eu universities are insanely high whilst at UK medicine & dentistry drop out rate is 1-2%
    Is the curriculum really going to be any easier though? If the GMC/GDC accept EU grads for UK jobs, then surely the material covered must be comparable and equally rigourous to that of a UK university
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    BBB doesn't mean that you're stupid. Those are decent grades.
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    (Original post by Freyr)
    Just because they aren't as book smart doesn't mean they won't make good doctors.
    Erm, it kinda does. Of course academic ability isn't the only important factor for medics, but there is a reason we go through five years of exams to be called 'Dr.' and then a further year before being GMC certified.
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    (Original post by bertstare)
    Is the curriculum really going to be any easier though? If the GMC/GDC accept EU grads for UK jobs, then surely the material covered must be comparable and equally rigourous to that of a UK university
    I mean, evidence would lead to how that its not. From the doctors and dentists i've spoken to they've said EU grads are incompetent(blunt I know). Also, people I've spoken to abroad have said people from UK universities are the best graduates, even better than the US grads who are significantly older.
    The GDC/GMC may feel pressure from the EU to accept their graduates too, but Im not too sure about that. As well as the fact the UK can't afford to train more doctors or dentists - we cost a ****tonne to the taxpayer lol
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    (Original post by Muppet Science)
    Erm, it kinda does. Of course academic ability isn't the only important factor for medics, but there is a reason we go through five years of exams to be called 'Dr.' and then a further year before being GMC certified.
    What does being called 'Dr.' have anything to do with it lol
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    (Original post by Petulia)
    BBB doesn't mean that you're stupid. Those are decent grades.
    I still feel if you cant get AAA from a public school you're not cut out for medicine or dentistry, doesn't mean you're stupid though.
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    (Original post by bertstare)
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't the pass grades much higher in those EU schools compared to UK ones? Someone I know studies abroad, I heard it was 60-70% just for a pass depending on the institution, whereas all UK ones are 50%. May be wrong. On the whole I agree with the principle of giving UK grads priority though, good that the GDC operates that way and it should be the same for medicine
    The passmark doesn't really mean anything. The tests could be of entirely different difficulty.

    Even if the curriculum is the same, the questions could still be of entirely different difficulty, for example single step vs double step reasoning questions.
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    (Original post by ando181)
    A doctor or dentist has to be intelligent and determined, getting AAA is hardly a big ask. Do you know how difficult these two degrees are both academically and practically? If a dentist misses that someone may have oral cancer or your GP doesn't refer them to a specialist when you have cancer, the patient may die unnecessarily. The dentist could be a 25 year old.

    Oh yes, doesn't matter if my doctor or dentist is incompetent, as long as they have a good personality I dont care
    idiot.
    Of course I realise the difficulty but I think you've missed my point entirely..
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    If they're smart enough to get through foundation and everything even abroad I'm pretty sure they'll be good enough...

    I wouldn't care less or even notice if my Doctor got a B in Maths.

    Has the standard of doctors become that much better as the entry requirements in UK have slowly risen from BBB to AAA?
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    (Original post by Abdul-Karim)
    If costs are subsidised alongside, I'm all for it.
    (Original post by Becca-Sarah)
    Frankly I'd be more concerned about the rise of private medical schools within the UK - Bucks starts this September and Aston is trying to follow. UK grads have a minor advantage over EU grads in understanding the UK system when it comes to getting a good SJT score and therefore do better at getting foundation jobs - private UK grads will be on the same footing as other UK grads in this respect but will have paid their way in.
    Their fees are disgusting. I wouldnt go there even if I had free admissions.
 
 
 
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