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    because there are more incentives for bad behaviour than good behaviour for imperfect humans; the devil on a person's right shoulder speaks louder than the angel on their left
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      Lots of bleeding hearts in this thread. Better get used to it.
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      (Original post by Genocidal)
      Lots of bleeding hearts in this thread. Better get used to it.
      Better not. There's nothing inevitable about it and the history of (at least) the West proves this. We've become far better in many respects and we can be even better.
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      (Original post by felamaslen)
      Practically the entire continent of Europe, minus the far east of it (Ukraine, Belarus etc.) lives in peace and order. Some of East Asia lives in peace and order. North America lives in peace and order. Some of South America lives in peace and order. Australia and New Zealand live in peace and order.

      All of these places were once violent cess pits (well, maybe not New Zealand). The entire human history of the past few centuries has been precisely about changing the world to be a more peaceable, tolerant and free place, and it has been largely successful (minus the 20th century bloodbath).

      Theres roughly 2 million violent crimes in Britain every year. So, its not that peaceful and orderly is it? In fact, Britain is a far less peaceful and orderly place than what it was 50 years ago, so things are getting worse.

      People don't have to put up with it, and theres absolutely zero point trying to do something about it because everybody has an opinion. All like minded people can do is get together and form separate communities while everybody else argues.

      The Amish have virtually ZERO crime. If the Amish can do it, so can anyone else.
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      (Original post by Tyrion_Lannister)
      It's funny you say this, I've always wanted to build my own Island full of good people

      Well, that makes two of us. If we can get another few dozen people together we may have something to work with.
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      (Original post by p.formanko)
      okay, so I'm not usually a pessimist, but in the past few days and weeks current events have really gotten to me - areas where injustice has happened in all areas of society.

      Anyone hear about the US cop who pushed a disabled person in a wheelchair into the road, even though they weren't carrying a firearm? or the one who saw a woman in the middle of the highway, proceeded to pin her down onto the ground and punch her repeatedly in the face even though she was defenceless?

      Or perhaps closer to home - Rolf Harris being imprisoned for not even six years? Jimmy Saville anyone?

      Or in Israel - where the whole nation is in uproar over the murder of 3 Jewish teens in Palestine, yet almost no attention is paid to the murder of a Palestinian boy in Israel only a day later, what most would assume was an act of revenge?

      I'm not trying to draw in philosophy, religion, politics etc into this, and the above are mere examples. Where has it all gone wrong as a global community, where women are stoned for sleeping with men they love, and men are held in places like Guantanamo, sometimes for decades, without a trial?
      The world as a whole has made slow progress, especially since WW2.

      With that being said the simple reason for your question is that it is human nature.

      Humans are brilliant, creative and often have the best of intentions... But they are also selfish, greedy and violent.

      There are people who are more of the first group but socialist especially wildly overestimate the number, the masses are certainly the later kind.
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      (Original post by imtelling)
      Theres roughly 2 million violent crimes in Britain every year. So, its not that peaceful and orderly is it? In fact, Britain is a far less peaceful and orderly place than what it was 50 years ago, so things are getting worse.

      People don't have to put up with it, and theres absolutely zero point trying to do something about it because everybody has an opinion. All like minded people can do is get together and form separate communities while everybody else argues.

      The Amish have virtually ZERO crime. If the Amish can do it, so can anyone else.
      Crime has fallen since the 80s. Granted, it's not a huge difference but we're certainly not worse off than we were 30 years ago. Same is true for everyone else in Europe.

      And I do not consider the 50s to have been a better period. What counted as crime then was mainly theft or murder. Rape was widely underreported and many crimes today, e.g. racially motivated crimes, went completely unrecorded. Same for abuse of women in marriage and so on.
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      (Original post by imtelling)
      Theres roughly 2 million violent crimes in Britain every year. So, its not that peaceful and orderly is it? In fact, Britain is a far less peaceful and orderly place than what it was 50 years ago, so things are getting worse.

      People don't have to put up with it, and theres absolutely zero point trying to do something about it because everybody has an opinion. All like minded people can do is get together and form separate communities while everybody else argues.

      The Amish have virtually ZERO crime. If the Amish can do it, so can anyone else.
      True, violent crime has got worse since the 60s, but it's not that terrible really, is it. You can walk down the street and not expect to get stabbed or shot or mugged in most areas. As long as you're sensible and don't hang around with the wrong people in Britain, you can live a peaceful life. When miscarriages of justice do occur, they're national scandals and everybody condemns them (e.g. the Hillsborough scandal, or Stephen Lawrence, etc.).
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      (Original post by Cornelius)
      Crime has fallen since the 80s. Granted, it's not a huge difference but we're certainly not worse off than we were 30 years ago. Same is true for everyone else in Europe.

      And I do not consider the 50s to have been a better period. What counted as crime then was mainly theft or murder. Rape was widely underreported and many crimes today, e.g. racially motivated crimes, went completely unrecorded. Same for abuse of women in marriage and so on.

      In 1900 there were 2.4 indictable offences per thousand population and by the turn of the century it was almost a hundred. Yes, crime has supposedly come down to 80's levels ( although thats debatable because of the way government try and fudge stats ) but, 80's levels of crime were still far higher than what was seen in the 50's.

      if you look at the graph, crime rates were stable and then started to dramatically increase around 1960: ( page 14 )

      http://www.parliament.uk/documents/c...9/rp99-111.pdf

      Britain is far more violent place than it was in 1950, and even 1900, which was still the Victorian period.
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      (Original post by felamaslen)
      True, violent crime has got worse since the 60s, but it's not that terrible really, is it. You can walk down the street and not expect to get stabbed or shot or mugged in most areas. As long as you're sensible and don't hang around with the wrong people in Britain, you can live a peaceful life. When miscarriages of justice do occur, they're national scandals and everybody condemns them (e.g. the Hillsborough scandal, or Stephen Lawrence, etc.).

      It doesn't change the fact that 2 million violent crimes take place every year. That decent, ordinary people, still have to endure levels of crime that would have been unimaginable just a few decades ago.

      But it not just crime. Its the trash popular culture. Its the dumbed down society. Its the breakdown of values and binding tradition. Its the atomisation and deracination of the individual. Its the urbanisation of the living environment. Its the hyper materialistic, consumerist mindset. Its the corporatist, capitalist economy which sees people not as human beings, but interchangeable economic units.....

      Basically, what i am suggesting is that if you want to escape this, you are not going to have much luck trying to change it. All you can do is remove yourself from it and start again.
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      (Original post by p.formanko)
      Or perhaps closer to home - Rolf Harris being imprisoned for not even six years? Jimmy Saville anyone?
      yes. always start from home first.
      this is just right off my mind from memory.

      1) poverty and unemployment rates in UK still high
      2) UK still in the EU and paying £55 million a day into the Union
      3) lousy NHS doctors which see unnecessary deaths of patients
      4) food banks in UK not being given enough help
      5) election of police commissioners are linked to political party allegiance, poor turnout of voters and wasting tons of taxpayers money
      6) massive cuts to the number of teachers and police officers
      7) substandard quality of teachers in schools
      8) parliament Question Time every Wednesday looks like a comedy
      9) high STI rates and abortions among teens
      10) massive cuts to legal aid budget

      the list goes on and on.
      tbh I'm not sure if she'll recover from her slump in my lifetime.
      i guess not.
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      (Original post by imtelling)
      In 1900 there were 2.4 indictable offences per thousand population and by the turn of the century it was almost a hundred. Yes, crime has supposedly come down to 80's levels ( although thats debatable because of the way government try and fudge stats ) but, 80's levels of crime were still far higher than what was seen in the 50's.

      if you look at the graph, crime rates were stable and then started to dramatically increase around 1960: ( page 14 )

      http://www.parliament.uk/documents/c...9/rp99-111.pdf

      Britain is far more violent place than it was in 1950, and even 1900, which was still the Victorian period.
      From your own source:

      The British Crime Survey estimates unreported crime; in 1997
      56% of crimes were not reported to the police. In earlier years,
      this figure was probably higher and accounts for some of the
      increase.

      And again the number of indictable offences increasing means among other things (including the fact mentioned above - that we've become far better at reporting crime in more in recent years than in the 50s), as I said, that we have recognised some behaviours as being indictable. The 50s was more peaceful in paper 'cos people, short of murder and theft, didn't recognise any other behaviour as being indictable. You could be a racist, misogynistic prick and nobody could indict you for that.
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      (Original post by Cornelius)
      From your own source:

      The British Crime Survey estimates unreported crime; in 1997
      56% of crimes were not reported to the police. In earlier years,
      this figure was probably higher and accounts for some of the
      increase.

      And again the number of indictable offences increasing means among other things (including the fact mentioned above - that we've become far better at reporting crime in more in recent years than in the 50s), as I said, that we have recognised some behaviours as being indictable. The 50s was more peaceful in paper 'cos people, short of murder and theft, didn't recognise any other behaviour as being indictable. You could be a racist, misogynistic prick and nobody could indict you for that.

      Murder rates, rapes rate, violent crime rates, home invasions, robbery.....all dramatically up from the 50's. yes, there may be a few more indictable offences, but the the most serious crimes are all dramatically up from the levels seen in the 50's.

      Britain is completely different country than it was in the 50's, so of course things are going to be different. you can't fundamentally change a society and not expect that society to fundamentally change. Yes, some things have improved, namely technology, but the moral character of the country has degenerated dramatically.
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      (Original post by imtelling)
      Murder rates, rapes rate, violent crime rates, home invasions, robbery.....all dramatically up from the 50's. yes, there may be a few more indictable offences, but the the most serious crimes are all dramatically up from the levels seen in the 50's.

      Britain is completely different country than it was in the 50's, so of course things are going to be different. you can't fundamentally change a society and not expect that society to fundamentally change. Yes, some things have improved, namely technology, but the moral character of the country has degenerated dramatically.
      I don't know that at all, you just have an average figure documenting indictable offences. I didn't see any specific data for specific offences.

      What I do see is that homicide rates appear to be increased and that's partly because technology allows for better documentation. No doubt it is also because of a real increase in homicides. But I hardly see the reason to use phrases like moral character degenerating "dramatically".
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      Because people can be horrible and the world is never fair, welcome to real life.
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      Personally I try to avoid watching/reading the news from the major sources (BBC/Sky and newspapers) as it's 99.9% negativity and we're only told it from a certain perspective - usually it's laced with political stuff to brainwash us. I don't understand how people can enjoy eating their breakfast whilst watching the news or reading the paper - it's just so negative. I prefer to search for positive news sources or read science/tech news. Occasionally I'll look at the regular news just to keep in the loop about current affairs if for example there is an election coming up - but I don't make a habit of doing it daily or even weekly. Unfortunately there is a lot of bad in the world, but the way I see it - if you remind yourself of that 3 times everyday (morning, lunch and evening news) it's eventually going to have a negative effect on you and your view of humanity - the news very rarely reports good things happening in the world.
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      (Original post by CallMeBatwoman)
      Because people can be horrible and the world is never fair, welcome to real life.
      (Original post by somethingbeautiful)
      Personally I try to avoid watching/reading the news from the major sources (BBC/Sky and newspapers) as it's 99.9% negativity and we're only told it from a certain perspective - usually it's laced with political stuff to brainwash us. I don't understand how people can enjoy eating their breakfast whilst watching the news or reading the paper - it's just so negative. I prefer to search for positive news sources or read science/tech news. Occasionally I'll look at the regular news just to keep in the loop about current affairs if for example there is an election coming up - but I don't make a habit of doing it daily or even weekly. Unfortunately there is a lot of bad in the world, but the way I see it - if you remind yourself of that 3 times everyday (morning, lunch and evening news) it's eventually going to have a negative effect on you and your view of humanity - the news very rarely reports good things happening in the world.
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      Doesn't matter if you don't believe in evolution it's fact and no feeble minded idiots will stand in the way of the progress of science
      yes. always start from home first.
      this is just right off my mind from memory.

      1) poverty and unemployment rates in UK still high
      2) UK still in the EU and paying £55 million a day into the Union
      3) lousy NHS doctors which see unnecessary deaths of patients
      4) food banks in UK not being given enough help
      5) election of police commissioners are linked to political party allegiance, poor turnout of voters and wasting tons of taxpayers money
      6) massive cuts to the number of teachers and police officers
      7) substandard quality of teachers in schools
      8) parliament Question Time every Wednesday looks like a comedy
      9) high STI rates and abortions among teens
      10) massive cuts to legal aid budget

      the list goes on and on.
      tbh I'm not sure if she'll recover from her slump in my lifetime.
      i guess not.
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      Thanks everyone for the replies, sorry that I don't have time to reply to them all. Whilst I believe that with the advance in technology we are able to see more events (good or bad) around the world, I think that the amount of violence and lack of justice has still changed over the years, regardless if we as a community see them or not.

      Someone mentioned that there were 2million recorded crimes in Britain a year. What about the crimes which aren't recorded? rapes where the victim is too ashamed to speak out? domestic violence? It makes it really difficult to compare crime statistics over the years when many are not reported.

      And I'm not talking about justice relating to the law either. We've heard of care-home workers stealing from the elderly, mis-treatment of animals etc - why, as (supposedly) the most intelligent species on the planet, do we commit such small, pathetic 'crimes'?

      Another person said that 'continents x and y as well as some countries in continent z' are developed and more civilised. Let's take Europe as an example - it houses some of the most developed economies in the world, yet what about recent events such as Ukraine? Would you actually describe those events as civilised? Injustices can range from a local and personal scale all the way to a global one - there's a whole spectrum; just because a continent or country is developed, doesn't mean that justice is observed...
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      People that are saying the world used to be worse than. Not really. People these days are selfish and self absorbed. Nowadays, people don't even care about their own families. People in the past used to be a lot more caring and respectful towards each other. It wasn't all about me me me. And people's attitude doesnt seem to get any better.
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      I don't watch the news and I barely read the paper unless it is either Farmers Weekly or Farmers Guardian. There is nothing I can actually do about the injustices around the world, so why bother myself with them?

      I have my own life to live, which is complicated enough without having to worry about someone half way round the world in some war that I have never heard of.
     
     
     
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