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    (Original post by bestofyou)
    what do you mean?
    just curious about things like this, then I pretty much google searched everything and wasn't curious anymore :P
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    Just because they were born a man, it doesn't mean they still are

    So I don't see the problem

    Why deny your feelings (you fell for them enough to date) just based on what someone used to be?
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    (Original post by Ripper-Roo)
    Just because they were born a man, it doesn't mean they still are

    So I don't see the problem

    Why deny your feelings (you fell for them enough to date) just based on what someone used to be?
    Just because I was born human, doesn't mean I still am. I'm a lion.
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    (Original post by Blackshadow)
    Just because I was born human, doesn't mean I still am. I'm a lion.
    terrible analogy but whatever
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    I personally wouldn't, it's their business; I wouldn't date someone who had trans surgery to become a man - you're still genetically the gender you were born with, therefore you're still the same gender... having a synthetic penis or pair of breasts doesn't change your gender.
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    (Original post by LukeyJB)
    I personally wouldn't, it's their business; I wouldn't date someone who had trans surgery to become a man - you're still genetically the gender you were born with, therefore you're still the same gender... having a synthetic penis or pair of breasts doesn't change your gender.
    I don't think it is quite as clear cut as that, I don't do gender studies but I've spoken to people on here who do and it seems it is more than what genitals you are born with. For example, what gender is someone born with both? Are they not allowed to identify as a male or a female only because they were born with both?

    But I know where you are coming from all the same.
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    I don't care what other people do.

    I don't understand transgender people.
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    (Original post by bestofyou)
    I don't think it is quite as clear cut as that, I don't do gender studies but I've spoken to people on here who do and it seems it is more than what genitals you are born with. For example, what gender is someone born with both? Are they not allowed to identify as a male or a female only because they were born with both?

    But I know where you are coming from all the same.
    I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you have your genitalia changed and start acting more feminine/masculine, your chromosomal makeup is what defines your gender and it remains the same.
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    (Original post by LukeyJB)
    I'm saying that it doesn't matter if you have your genitalia changed and start acting more feminine/masculine, your chromosomal makeup is what defines your gender and it remains the same.
    By I am saying it isn't as clear cut as that. You talk about chromosomes, so is a male with Klinefelter syndrome partially female because they have XX sex chromosomes as well as XY chromosomes? (XXY sex chromosomes)

    I also note use of the term 'acting more'. It isn't an act. People who suffer from gender dysphoria believe they are mentally, the opposite sex, so gender identity is clearly more than just which chromosomes you have...just because a biology book say XX=female XY=male doesn't make it an inflexible fact, sure for the purpose of anything else, but when it comes down to the psychology of it all then like I said, it isn't as clear cut as XX and XY.

    Also, there is likey some genetic factors which play a part, for example you will have transgenders who have never had any hormone therapy but yet will have feminine features, eg smaller skeletal make up, less muscle mass, softer voice, yet they still have XY chromosomes.
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    (Original post by bestofyou)
    By I am saying it isn't as clear cut as that. You talk about chromosomes, so is a male with Klinefelter syndrome partially female because they have XX sex chromosomes as well as XY chromosomes? (XXY sex chromosomes)

    I also note use of the term 'acting more'. It isn't an act. People who suffer from gender dysphoria believe they are mentally, the opposite sex, so gender identity is clearly more than just which chromosomes you have...just because a biology book say XX=female XY=male doesn't make it an inflexible fact, sure for the purpose of anything else, but when it comes down to the psychology of it all then like I said, it isn't as clear cut as XX and XY.

    Also, there is likey some genetic factors which play a part, for example you will have transgenders who have never had any hormone therapy but yet will have feminine features, eg smaller skeletal make up, less muscle mass, softer voice, yet they still have XY chromosomes.
    I'm not talking about people with genetic disorders, though, I am simply saying that, assuming that a person is either XX or XY, a person cannot actually change his or her gender by having a bit of surgery... your genetically still a male, or still a female.
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    (Original post by LukeyJB)
    I'm not talking about people with genetic disorders, though, I am simply saying that, assuming that a person is either XX or XY, a person cannot actually change his or her gender by having a bit of surgery... your genetically still a male, or still a female.
    How do you know that gender dysphoria isn't a genetic disorder?
 
 
 
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