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    (Original post by De Mortimer)


    I agree, a lot of what I said was the cliche response of an average muslim to the behaviour of non-muslims. The purpose of which was to try and get the OP to see things from a Muslim's perspective.

    It was in response to the cliche/stereotype expressed by the OP of Muslims being boring/anti-fun. I was trying to get the OP to realise that Muslims actively choose this way of life, and there is no need to pity them, a point which I think you missed.

    And with regards to your point regarding individuality, I think everyone would agree it's far more difficult to uphold a religious faith/live by Islamic principles in today's society, certainly takes a lot of spine. Much more easier to be a 'skeptic' and fit right in.

    And I see your regurgitating a lot of the rhetoric from the likes of Hitchens/Dawkins. Most people don't experience God as a divine North Korea by the way or some sort of bully. These New Atheists are lame, they fuel hate, and are amateur philosophers at best.

    I think you missed the point/purpose of my post. I didn't say there's anything wrong with partying/entertainment, believe me, it is all I do. Was just trying to point out that just because people of faith do not engage in activities we deem fun, it shouldn't render them boring. They have a different lifestyle, we should be more inclusive and understanding, seeing as Muslims make up a large part of the populace in the UK...
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    There are so many ways to have fun rather than partying, drinking and having sex...
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    (Original post by HassanD)
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    A lot of my non-Muslim friends do waste their lives partying and plan to party almost every weekend and any other opportunity they get.

    Muslims consider anything mainstream to be trash music. We believe they soread immoral messages and are usually portrayed in immoral videos.

    Cant comment on the no individuality since I don't agree with it.

    We disagree with every attribute you stated about God. We believe he is a merciful and benevolent God, I dont know where you got your ideas from.

    People are addicted to entertainment. One of the most common addictions which is just a waste of time in our eyes. Not to say that Muslims don't need it but we don't chase or want it as much.

    We are replying to this thread which claims that we all boring because we don't live up to your standards of what a fun life is. You gave your view and we gave ours.
    And a lot of my non-muslim friends don't. The actions of a few do not mean you can generalise the behaviour of millions of people. In fact, it is plainly obvious that the majority of non-religious people do not waste their lives doing drugs and going to parties.

    Well if you're going to consider anything mainstream as trash music it's no surprise that we're all accused of listening to it. Although I can't say I agree with your definition.

    You can disagree all you like, however I would think that most sane people would describe a God who demands worship and punishes people who don't obey him as I have done.

    Where is your evidence that muslims don't need as much entertainment as the non-religious?
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    (Original post by De Mortimer)
    You can disagree all you like, however i would think that most sane people would describe a God who demands worship and punishes people who don't obey him as I have done.
    Really your categorically stating over a billion individuals are insane because they don't agree with your perception?

    The issue here is really that the OP made a gross generalisation, so the responder made a generalisation to counter-point the thinking and show the OP the logical error.

    Leave it at that.
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    (Original post by ChocolateFace123)
    It was in response to the cliche/stereotype expressed by the OP of Muslims being boring/anti-fun. I was trying to get the OP to realise that Muslims actively choose this way of life, and there is no need to pity them, a point which I think you missed.
    I don't think I missed the point at all. I am well aware that they may actively choose their way of life, I was just replying to your points. Nor did I say that religious people are boring.

    And with regards to your point regarding individuality, I think everyone would agree it's far more difficult to uphold a religious faith/live by Islamic principles in today's society, certainly takes a lot of spine. Much more easier to be a 'skeptic' and fit right in.
    It may be more difficult to do so, but that doesn't make them any more "individual" than anyone else. They still believe in pretty much the same concepts and beliefs that their brothers in faith do. Also, this particular point is only relevant in the West. In countries like Saudi Arabia I think you'll find your point is reversed, where it's the atheists who literally have to keep their beliefs a secret which also takes spine.

    And I see your regurgitating a lot of the rhetoric from the likes of Hitchens/Dawkins. Most people don't experience God as a divine North Korea by the way or some sort of bully. These New Atheists are lame, they fuel hate, and are amateur philosophers at best.
    I'm not regurgitating anything, I've hardly read any of Hitchens' or Dawkins' work as I'm not a fan of either. However, I'm not pulling those darker attributes of God out of thin air. Reading the Bible or the Quran will be enough to show that he does possess those qualities.
    If you have any issues with my "philosophical" arguments the perhaps you'd like to refute them instead of simply insulting these "New Age atheists"?

    I think you missed the point/purpose of my post. I didn't say there's anything wrong with partying/entertainment, believe me, it is all I do. Was just trying to point out that just because people of faith do not engage in activities we deem fun, it shouldn't render them boring. They have a different lifestyle, we should be more inclusive and understanding, seeing as Muslims make up a large part of the populace in the UK...
    I didn't miss the point of your thread, I was merely responding to your points lest someone should think they were accurate, valid representations of the majority of non-religious people. But I agree with your opinion that following a religion does not make someone boring, nor did I imply it did anywhere.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    You mentioned Alcohol, alcohol is a drug and responsible for more deaths, violence, criminal damage, health problems and police/medical time yearly than any other drug.
    That is probably because alcohol is also the most commonly used drug.

    I am pretty sure there are many drugs that surpass alcohol on deaths, violence, criminal damage, health problems and police/medical time PER USER.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    Really your categorically stating over a billion individuals are insane because they don't agree with your perception?

    The issue here is really that the OP made a gross generalisation, so the responder made a generalisation to counter-point the thinking and show the OP the logical error.

    Leave it at that.
    Perhaps using the word "sane" was a bit harsh, but I'll stick with my statement. The words "arrogant", "psychotic" "needy" (etc) all have standard definitions and if their so-called God displays those behaviours then he is, by definition, arrogant, psychotic and needy :dontknow:
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    (Original post by De Mortimer)
    And a lot of my non-muslim friends don't. The actions of a few do not mean you can generalise the behaviour of millions of people. In fact, it is plainly obvious that the majority of non-religious people do not waste their lives doing drugs and going to parties.

    Well if you're going to consider anything mainstream as trash music it's no surprise that we're all accused of listening to it. Although I can't say I agree with your definition.

    You can disagree all you like, however i would think that most sane people would describe a God who demands worship and punishes people who don't obey him as I have done.

    Where is your evidence that muslims don't need as much entertainment as the non-religious?
    Sorry I wasn't clear but personally I don't believe all non-Religious people waste their lives doing drugs and partying but obviously, a lot of them do (such as alcohol/weed).

    Well as far as I know, correct me if I am wrong as I havent been up with mainstream music for two years, all rapper's rap about is drugs, '*****es' and money. Then you have Miley Cirus... and so on. I am pretty sure there are some decent songs that we wouldn't consider immoral, such as songs by Adele but for the most part we do.

    Well we believe our whole purpose is to worship God so if you don't then you aren't fulfilling your purpose in life. As for the punishment part, it varies. If a Muslim decided not to worship God for whatever reason, they will get punished. For a non-Muslim, it depends on their situation. For example, non-Muslims that have never heard of Islam for whatever reason are judged in a different way on judgement day and so they are not automatically going to hell. Non-Muslims who do know about Islam but have been fed false information which pushed them away from the religion are also judged differently and don't automatically go hell. The only people that do are people who learnt the correct informarion about the religion and still didn't follow the religion, people who leave the religion, tyrants such as Hitler and Stalin and of course Muslims who sin. Thats the outline, therefore we believe he is a just God.

    Speak to practicing Muslims. We have a goal in life which is to do well in the after life and so entertaining ourselves all the time is not beneficial in any way as it's all temporary. So we do need a bit to have some fun every know and then but not a lot because we aren't after the pleasures of this world.

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    If binge drinking, partying, fornication, smoking etc.. is your idea of fun, I'm glad I'm a boring person.
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    (Original post by HassanD)
    Sorry I wasn't clear but personally I don't believe all non-Religious people waste their lives doing drugs and partying but obviously, a lot of them do (such as alcohol/weed).
    Yes, a lot of them do, but I don't think the majority do. I also think it's likely that many religious people do the same thing.

    Well as far as I know, correct me if I am wrong as I havent been up with mainstream music for two years, all rapper's rap about is drugs, '*****es' and money. Then you have Miley Cirus... and so on. I am pretty sure there are some decent songs that we wouldn't consider immoral, such as songs by Adele but for the most part we do.
    But the point is, that rap songs about drugs and sex do not make up the largest portion of mainstream music, I'd venture that they are in the minority. Plenty of mainstream music is wonderful and doesn't deal with the immoral things you mention. Besides, I once asked a muslim why music is forbidden and he stressed that it wasn't so much what the music said, rather that it was just a distraction from worshipping God.


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    Fair enough, I'm not trying to stop muslims believing what they do, mainly countering that what many religious people say about non-religious people isn't always true.


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    (Original post by De Mortimer)
    Yes, a lot of them do, but I don't think the majority do. I also think it's likely that many religious people do the same thing.



    But the point is, that rap songs about drugs and sex do not make up the largest portion of mainstream music, I'd venture that they are in the minority. Plenty of mainstream music is wonderful and doesn't deal with the immoral things you mention. Besides, I once asked a muslim why music is forbidden and he stressed that it wasn't so much what the music said, rather that it was just a distraction from worshipping God.




    Fair enough, I'm not trying to stop muslims believing what they do, mainly countering that what many religious people say about non-religious people isn't always true.


    That reason is also right. There are three main reasons:

    1) It is a distraction from worshiping God (as stated)
    2) Spreads immoral messages and corrupts people/society
    3) Is used for illegitimate gatherings such as parties, etc.

    But alright, fair enough.
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    (Original post by De Mortimer)
    I don't think I missed the point at all. I am well aware that they may actively choose their way of life, I was just replying to your points. Nor did I say that religious people are boring.



    It may be more difficult to do so, but that doesn't make them any more "individual" than anyone else. They still believe in pretty much the same concepts and beliefs that their brothers in faith do. Also, this particular point is only relevant in the West. In countries like Saudi Arabia I think you'll find your point is reversed, where it's the atheists who literally have to keep their beliefs a secret which also takes spine.



    I'm not regurgitating anything, I've hardly read any of Hitchens' or Dawkins' work as I'm not a fan of either. However, I'm not pulling those darker attributes of God out of thin air. Reading the Bible or the Quran will be enough to show that he does possess those qualities.
    If you have any issues with my "philosophical" arguments the perhaps you'd like to refute them instead of simply insulting these "New Age atheists"?



    I didn't miss the point of your thread, I was merely responding to your points lest someone should think they were accurate, valid representations of the majority of non-religious people. But I agree with your opinion that following a religion does not make someone boring, nor did I imply it did anywhere.

    Ok apologies, I may of misinterpreted what you said originally.


    I agree they wouldn't allow a person to preach atheism/distribute blasphemous books openly in public. But there are literally loads of atheists, they aren't open about it simply because it would not be wise to do so, which is a problem I agree. But hopefully things will change soon. But it's not like we can claim to be champions of freedom of speech as shown with the Snowden case. Saudi isn't as daunting as most people portray though, if I went to a mosque in Saudi and told the Imam I'm an atheist, he'd probably start giggling and say I'll make a dua (prayer) for you. There isn't an omniscient Inquisition - Pornography, Promiscuity, Drugs is rampant throughout Saudi, it's just undercover.

    Well some of the phrases you used certainly seemed like Dawkins'. I agree there are abhorrent passages in the Bible and Quran. But I think it's not as simple as- God punishes people in hell forever = therefore he's a tyrannical bully. Or God asks us to worship him = therefore he's a raging ego-maniac.

    Religion is far more nuanced than that, Al Ghazali (famous Islamic scholar) believed hell was seperation from God, and he uses the hadith which states (paraphrased) - 'those who have even a mustard seed of faith will enter into heaven' as proof for his argument that everyone will go to heaven eventually. The idea of a hell is a human construct, but there's a good reason for this, different people require different incentives to act morally.

    For others God acts as an agent to keep their ego under control, which is a relationship I think is much needed in the society we live in. Not because constantly feeding one's ego is inherently wrong, but because it's unhealthy and isn't conducive to social cohesion, often causes family/marital problems.

    I agree that religion is man-made, but I think it's idealistic to say the least to think we can somehow abandon/throw out religion (which is the solution these New Atheists propose)- it's part of who we are, and has aspects to it that are useful which we should use. It's easy for the likes of Dawkins to spend his time brooding with a cup of earl grey tea over rational sources of morality in the suburbs of Oxford. But for normal people around the world, especially in poor areas - the idea of a God provides emotional stability, brings together communities, creates a sense of obligation towards fellow human beings. So for me, the new atheists are out of touch, and are proposing a solution that's attractive to those who live lives not having to worry about basic necessities such as food, water and shelter.
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    Not really to do with the subject but I don't see how partying is wasting your life if that's what you want to do. Our time on earth is so short that if someone wants to party, why shouldn't they? If someone wants to do anything that doesn't hurt others, why shouldn't they? People waste so much time trying to uphold their reputation instead of just living. Well in 200 years, nobody who knew you is going to be alive so what good is your reputation going to do you then? If you want to spend your life praying, do it. If you want to spend your life partying, do it. Don't try & make others feel bad for their choice to make yourself feel better though.
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    (Original post by Hariex)
    Consuming drugs at least once is acting on impulsive desires. This kind of mindset is not a healthy way to live.
    au contraire, not acting on impulse is an incredibly unhealthy way to live. That's why you have impulses.
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    (Original post by JAndre96)
    Isn't that then there choice to make? Should you not be spending time with more like minded people?

    I'm not a Muslim but I can imagine that it is only partly there choice but there parents choice handed down to them, and from the generation before them and so on.


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    Tbh most of the Muslims I know (girls included) drink and have had sex, but then pretend to be really interested in religion for their parents
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    (Original post by TheAnusFiles)
    Tbh most of the Muslims I know (girls included) drink and have had sex, but then pretend to be really interested in religion for their parents
    Yeah a lot of the Muslim youth are quite ignorant when it comes to their religion, I guess the influence of society is too much for them to handle these days.
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    (Original post by HassanD)
    Yeah a lot of the Muslim youth are quite ignorant when it comes to their religion, I guess the influence of society is too much for them to handle these days.
    I've seen the same in Saudi too though
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    (Original post by TheAnusFiles)
    I've seen the same in Saudi too though
    Lol, people think Saudi is the best Islamic country. Saudi is considered to be one of the worst Muslim country on the planet, by the majority of Muslims. The government is a puppet for western powers who portray themselves as righteous Muslims with all their non-Islamic laws that oppress people. It's a nation full of intolerant, racist and backward people. Having lived there myself I experienced their idiocy and BS first hand so it's not a surprise for them to drink and have sex outside of marriage.
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    (Original post by Abdul-Karim)
    If binge drinking, partying, fornication, smoking etc.. is your idea of fun, I'm glad I'm a boring person.
    That makes me a boring person too. I wish I was an interesting person though.
 
 
 
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