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    (Original post by Xinho)
    It really doesn't. The immigrants aren't beating us to banking jobs, or engineering jobs, or anything requiring a high level of skill/academia. They are beating us to cleaning mantlepieces, serving coffee, driving buses and painting doors ..... Why do we need these people? They are not contributing to the economy in any significant way.

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    Well then you should try much harder at school so you wouldn't have to compete with immigrants for these low skilled jobs somewhere down the line.
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    You're right, but this is TSR. A PC forum with multiple users who's parents are foreign, so they're not going to listen. Immigration is only good for mimorities, it's a fraud, a sham, a rip-off, and a great wrong. If you crop up to Pakistan behold you're not an enricher but an invader or a colonizer bla bla bla, lol, such double standards. Mass immigration is unnatural, it's an invasion, and such measure would never be used in a country's best interest....only used to invade or divide and rule people.

    Labour admitted it anyway so dunno why theres even a public debate. They've found a way to 'legitmately' displace, replace and disposses entire nations, cultures and homogenous groups without their consent and condition the majroity to believe this is acceptable, a right, or that you should be 'multicultural'. Multiculturalists are racial extremists by their own actions, building a country within a country until the host in diluted.

    Diversity = chasing down the last white person.
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    (Original post by Ronove)
    How does one admit everything someone else has written is true by stating that they didn't read it?
    It's an admission that they were overwhelmed by the quality of the post. The OP was superb.
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    (Original post by Roger1)
    Well then you should try much harder at school so you wouldn't have to compete with immigrants for these low skilled jobs somewhere down the line.
    And whose taxes are paying for the benefits of those who can't get jobs due to immigration? That's right, yours.

    Is it really in our interests to continue mass immigration? It's only going to lead to the creation of a long term unemployed underclass. That's not good for anyone.
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    (Original post by EatAndRevise)
    Didn't read.

    I am assuming you are trying to convince the members of TSR to vote for UKIP, well no.
    Has anyone on this thread even attempted to form an argument against the OP? What a pathetic post.
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    (Original post by #Ridwan)
    Has anyone on this thread even attempted to form an argument against the OP? What a pathetic post.
    Nope, it will take too long to read, I am not in the mood, nor are others.
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    If it were simply a question of immigrants taking our jobs ie that there are somehow a fixed number of jobs, then we'd still have the same number of jobs as 100 years ago or 200 years ago and countries such as the US, built on immigrants, would be the poorest in the world not the richest.

    So something else is the problem not immigration.

    Indeed wasn't it just a few years ago that we were told that the reason pension ages had to rise was because we hadn't got enough young people to work to pay for the old retired people's pensions?

    Now, immigrants in general are young so just the sort of people we need desperately?

    They are also cheap - not in the sense of working for low pay. That problem can be tackled by insisting on minimum/living wages. But in the sense that we haven't had to pay for their education and being young they don't need benefits as much as the population as a whole. Alos they want to work - you don't travel half way across the world not to work. Immigrants are often one of the most ambitious sections of society.

    But we know that there are problems - poor supply of housing for rent and to buy ( especially in London), 2 million unemployed, stress on school places, hospitals.

    So how do we solve these political problems? ie it's a question of making the correct decisions and investments in order to build houses, support businesses and create jobs because we need to house everyone etc. Perhaps we should have insisted that the banks lend out to small businesses, builders, Local Authorities, as a condition of us propping them up? Perhaps we shouldn't allow them to pay their traders, managers etc.huge bonuses from money we have given them.

    More to the point in whose interest is it to blame immigrants for the problems when actually they are part of the solution. Well, we know that austerity / unemployment has lowered most people's wages/ salaries and that the bonuses/incomes of people at the top have gone up hugely so the very rich have benefited.

    The extra money they have received and put into their Swiss bank accounts doing no one any good, could have gone as investment into infrastructure, housing, schools etc. creating jobs for people who then pay taxes instead of receiving costly benefits. But some rich people resent having to put money into the communal pot to pay for such things as they consider that their money belongs to them, and they shouldn't have to be taxed on it.

    As long as we think that very rich people need a bigger and bigger share of the profits/salaries in order to incentivise them to work but most people need to be made poorer and poorer to incentivise them to work, then this situation will continue.

    But, you know it's in everyone's interest to have a happier, more equal society. It's very shortsighted for the very rich to think that the profits mainly belong to them and not to all the people who work. That idea leads to unrest ,stress etc. We all benefit from a well educated population, good housing, good health care don't we?
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    (Original post by EatAndRevise)
    Nope, it will take too long to read, I am not in the mood, nor are others.
    Then why bother replying?

    Just admit that you won't consider any views that challenge the anti UKIP position that the media have fooled you into adopting.
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    (Original post by #Ridwan)
    Then why bother replying?

    Just admit that you won't consider any views that challenge the anti UKIP position that the media have fooled you into adopting.
    I replied to say that I am not being fooled into supporting UKIP.

    UKIP cannot run the country, 90% of people don't even know the policies which they plan on legislating if they ever get into power.

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    (Original post by EatAndRevise)
    I replied to say that I am not being fooled into supporting UKIP.

    UKIP cannot run the country, 90% of people don't even know the policies which they plan on legislating if they ever get into power.

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    The same can be said for Labour, whose core vote still consists of people who vote for them because their dads were miners etc. They don't realise that Labour hasn't been on the side of the workers for decades.
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    (Original post by #Ridwan)
    The same can be said for Labour, whose core vote still consists of people who vote for them because their dads were miners etc. They don't realise that Labour hasn't been on the side of the workers for decades.
    I don't like labour, nor do I agree with them.
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    You pointed out that immigrants have stereotypes about British people being lazy. Then you go on to make stereotypes about Muslims "imposing their culture" as well as various other groups of immigrants saying that they have not 'integrated' into your society.

    Stereotypes can (at times) have some truth in them but they represent a very small number of people within that society or culture. You admitted that yourself when you used the example of 'lazy' Brits. The same type of logic can be applied to stereotypes regarding immigrants or any group of people for that matter.
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    (Original post by Roger1)
    Well then you should try much harder at school so you wouldn't have to compete with immigrants for these low skilled jobs somewhere down the line.
    But then shouldn't that also apply to the immigrants? Why are the immigrants not more skilled than our English working class tradesmen? If they were more skilled wouldn't their economies be developed enough whereby they wouldn't need to come to England to get employment?!
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    (Original post by iammeyouareyou)
    You pointed out that immigrants have stereotypes about British people being lazy. Then you go on to make stereotypes about Muslims "imposing their culture" as well as various other groups of immigrants saying that they have not 'integrated' into your society.

    Stereotypes can (at times) have some truth in them but they represent a very small number of people within that society or culture. You admitted that yourself when you used the example of 'lazy' Brits. The same type of logic can be applied to stereotypes regarding immigrants or any group of people for that matter.
    So what are you trying to say? Are you trying to say that immigrants DON'T think that Brits are lazy and the ones who do are a minority?

    Immigrants might not truly think all Brits are lazy deep down, but they will damn well say it because it stops them from entering into a debate that would expose how mass immigration is of negative effect. It's a bit like people saying 'racist' at any opportunity. Certain types of people have that chip where they will shout 'you're racist' ... immigrants are the same .. they can't debate without insinuating that brits are lazy and need to try harder. It's a cop out.

    So I'm not saying that all immigrants THINK deep down that Brits are lazy, but that is their counter-argument for everything to protect themselves.
 
 
 
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