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    tbh it's not exactly out of the realms of possibility, but i don't think it's the case
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    (Original post by lerjj)
    No, they've existed for thousands of years.
    This is true
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    (Original post by K_o_46)
    If you closely look at the history of illuminati, you will find that it was created hundreds of years ago by a number of very smart people who wanted to encourage freethinking which was opposed by the state ruled church at that time. Illuminati translates roughly to mean something like englightenment (I.e. so that the truth is revealed). Obviously the church did not agree with this so they soon started to brand members of the society devil worshippers. The people in the media such as jay-z that are often seen signing their alleged symbols are only doing it for attention as they know that it'll make them more popular and noticed.
    The conspiracy theories were made by religious leaders trying to scare people into clinging onto the church by claiming illuminati or Freemasons are trying to start a new world order.
    makes sense. thank you
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    (Original post by HarryJamesPotter)
    This is true
    Or is it just what they want you to think?

    What is truth? They could be anywhere, how can we tell?
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    (Original post by lerjj)
    No, they've existed for thousands of years.
    Nope - founded in the 1500's, disbanded in the 1800's if memory serves correctly

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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Nope - founded in the 1500's, disbanded in the 1800's if memory serves correctly

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    Founded.... or discovered?
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    conspiracy theorists be like......



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    (Original post by lerjj)
    Founded.... or discovered?
    Founded. Because the Age of Enlightenment came about when scientists were using technology to not only discover things but prove things previously unknown, however organised religion was trying to silence them. And that was the middle ages.
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    Freemasons aren't a conspiracy theory, they actually exist and most established companies, organisations and schools have a history with them, especially in the UK.

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    The reason why I don't like many secret society style conspiracy theorists is that it distracts from the reality... that the world is run by a bunch of completely corrupt, incompetent idiots who have absolutely no interest in anything but their own personal gain.

    Add to that a socio-politico-economic system of neo-liberal crony capitalism which not only allows this behavior and exploitation but actively encourages it and you have a situation where we have rampant abuse and exploitation, of both people and the wider environment.


    Tldr: the world is ****ty enough without having to invent magical secret societies to try and explain it.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Founded. Because the Age of Enlightenment came about when scientists were using technology to not only discover things but prove things previously unknown, however organised religion was trying to silence them. And that was the middle ages.
    Alternatively: the scientists started poking their noses around. The religions which had been controlled by the Illuminati for millennia were being distrusted. So the rulers split from the church, which was why they were found out in the first place- after some less important public splinter groups died out, the real puppet masters are still around.

    And they're watching you.
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    (Original post by lerjj)
    Alternatively: the scientists started poking their noses around. The religions which had been controlled by the Illuminati for millennia were being distrusted. So the rulers split from the church, which was why they were found out in the first place- after some less important public splinter groups died out, the real puppet masters are still around.

    And they're watching you.
    Never going to believe a single word of this nonsense.

    For no other reason than if the world were truly run by a single mass organisation, it would actually work. And it simply doesn't. It's chaos.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    Never going to believe a single word of this nonsense.

    For no other reason than if the world were truly run by a single mass organisation, it would actually work. And it simply doesn't. It's chaos.
    That's a very good point. There is still a chance though (obviously the current state of affairs doesn't say much for it), so would you change your mind if someone had actual evidence? What what you consider conclusive evidence?
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    (Original post by presidential_)
    so its essentially like the brownies but for grown men?
    Slightly more, we exist as a Fraternity founded to guide and promote certain spiritual, moral and social values within our membership, to em part common sense goodness and universal spiritual truths and ideas.
    Some may view the Ritual as outdaded or silly, but it proves a vital and historically grounded method of teaching through experience and it's practice, memorization and witnessing helps to engrave certain concepts and values into those involved with it.

    Today the Masons is largely a Charity organization (as it has always been to some extent) donating Tens of millions a year to various causes in the UK alone. There is also the social aspect to it, many members enjoy the excuse to get together , be involved in a common cause and then retire for drinks, songs, toasts and a big meal...and possibly more drinks...afterwards.

    People get out of it what they put into and levels of commitment or what it means to be a member of the Craft vary throughout. Some see it as a social-dinner club, others as a family tradition others still as a mystical path of enlightenment and moral guidance, others yet dedicate there lives to it professionally or scholarly.

    It's as varied as its members.
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    I think that in a strange way it's comforting for people to believe in conspiracy theories but the truth is that there is no 'grand plan' - only the culimitive and uncoordinated actions of many different people.
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    no.

    there are just certain very powerful jews such as the Rothschild family and the Medici family.
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    It's quite funny actually.

    Due to this illuminati and Freemason conspiracy theorists, a lot of the time the Freemasons have to keep their donations anonymous as certain placed will refuse to take their money.
 
 
 
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