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    (Original post by StrangeBanana)
    Guns aren't moronic. They're extremely useful for farmers, people who like to hunt, and - in the hands of a mentally stable person - for self-defence.



    Calling guns "cowardly" is ridiculous; when you choose a weapon to defend your family and property with, you choose the most efficient, easy-to-use and powerful one. You don't use a weaker one. I'd rather be a living beta than a dead alpha
    Do you live in America? Or Iraq? If not then you're a moronic coward for thinking you need a gun to protect yourself in Britain.

    Man, I'm such a badass with this gun. I'll be able to hide behind a couch like a little girl and still be able to kill someone! I could never do that using my fists or a heavy object because my little scrawny arms don't possess the strength to do so
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    (Original post by Jordooooom)
    Do you live in America? Or Iraq? If not then you're a moronic coward for thinking you need a gun to protect yourself in Britain.

    Man, I'm such a badass with this gun. I'll be able to hide behind a couch like a little girl and still be able to kill someone! I could never do that using my fists or a heavy object because my little scrawny arms don't possess the strength to do so
    Funny how I didn't say you need a gun to defend yourself in Britain. :awesome:

    Man, I'm such a badass with no life! I'll be able to tell all my buddies up in Eternity that even though my entire family died because I tried to go with my fists against an armed robber instead of safely taking him out with the gun next to me, I still looked like a @#!*% alpha doing it. :cool:
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    Agreed, just look at the US NRA.
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    (Original post by StrangeBanana)
    Funny how I didn't say you need a gun to defend yourself in Britain. :awesome:

    Man, I'm such a badass with no life! I'll be able to tell all my buddies up in Eternity that even though my entire family died because I tried to go with my fists against an armed robber instead of safely taking him out with the gun next to me, I still looked like a @#!*% alpha doing it. :cool:
    Most people on this site live in the uk, so we usually imagine environments which take place within the uk, understand?

    You must be American. You care more about your silly little toys that compensate for your small penis than actually protecting your family. And don't pretend otherwise :lol:

    Oh and Gud luck protecting yourself when some random person decides to go on a shooting spree in public.

    I'll just go ahead and say R.I.P right now.

    Then again if you survive it, I suppose you have the comfort of knowing you can pay for your treatment afterwards. Ahh murica
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    (Original post by Jordooooom)
    You're basically showing everyone here that you're a coward who can't even fight, so you have to resort to the most cowardly weapons... Guns.


    And you're calling someone else beta? Lol
    Lol yeah I'm sure you're an MMA pro who can take on multiple knife wielding attackers. Or more likely you'll get bent over and bummed while your family watch and all your possessions get stolen
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    I watched a stacey dooley documentary last week about guns in Detroit, it was awful a young girl being shot just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, Little kids all knew someone who had been shot and were too scared to go play basketball in case they were shot. I'm thankful every single day that I can go outside my house and not be scared of people having guns.
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    (Original post by Swanbow)
    Well considering the disturbing crime rate in South Africa and the frequency of home break ins, coupled with incompetent and corrupt police, I think owning a gun there is a sensible option. Even the gated communities like the one Oscar Pistorius lived in aren't immune to crime.
    Meh, I can't imagine people sit around with their gun on hand ready to shoot intruders. And those that do are probably the ones who shoot non-intruders out of paranoia, or perhaps the ones where a kid picks up the gun and shoots someone. I'd be interested to know how often guns actually stop spontaneous crime i.e. attacks where the victim isn't suspecting that they'll be attacked.
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    no they're not
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    (Original post by bertstare)
    Lol yeah I'm sure you're an MMA pro who can take on multiple knife wielding attackers. Or more likely you'll get bent over and bummed while your family watch and all your possessions get stolen
    First of all, I don't live in a ****ty poverty area like you do so the chances of a break in are very rare. And I'd like to see how a couple of knives fair against an antique samurai sword lol
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    Totally against loosening restrictions on handguns.
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    (Original post by Jordooooom)
    First of all, I don't live in a ****ty poverty area like you do so the chances of a break in are very rare. And I'd like to see how a couple of knives fair against an antique samurai sword lol
    RIP Jordooooom, went down fighting with samurai sword
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    (Original post by xDave-)
    Meh, I can't imagine people sit around with their gun on hand ready to shoot intruders. And those that do are probably the ones who shoot non-intruders out of paranoia, or perhaps the ones where a kid picks up the gun and shoots someone. I'd be interested to know how often guns actually stop spontaneous crime i.e. attacks where the victim isn't suspecting that they'll be attacked.
    On a serious note here, guns are used countless times to protect homes and individuals over in the states. Even the most conservative, non-NRA estimates would suggest they are used in defence literally dozens of times more than they are used to kill. America has a gang problem; their murder rates are high because of concentrated urban areas with more gang members in a single place than there probably are in the whole of the UK. Many states in the US where concealed carry laws are around, and many countries in Europe where gun ownership rates are 5-6 times higher than in the UK, have similar or even lower murder rates (and probably much lower violent crime rates) than us here. People in this country have such a lol worthy and irrational fear of firearms
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    No. I shoot (target and clay pigeons) recreationally and it's a lot of fun with minimal danger involved (far less than just about any other sport), not to mention great socially if you're in a friendly gun club.

    The process involved in getting any firearms licence in the UK (aside for shotgun certificates) makes it extremely difficult to obtain anything classified as a carbine (can be a rifle or long barreled pistol + fixed stock). Anyone who has been through the process will know that if you want to do something illegal with a gun here there are far easier ways than getting a Section 1 Certificate.

    (Original post by cah846)
    Yes. Absolutely 100% against them, no one should have the opportunity to take another human life.
    I guess we should stop selling kitchen knives then. And saws. And shovels. And cricket bats. And pens. ****, why don't we just go into the woods and remove every sharp stick we find? Grow up.
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    (Original post by Jordooooom)
    Most people on this site live in the uk, so we usually imagine environments which take place within the uk, understand?

    You must be American. You care more about your silly little toys that compensate for your small penis than actually protecting your family. And don't pretend otherwise :lol:

    Oh and Gud luck protecting yourself when some random person decides to go on a shooting spree in public.

    I'll just go ahead and say R.I.P right now.

    Then again if you survive it, I suppose you have the comfort of knowing you can pay for your treatment afterwards. Ahh murica
    Looks like someone's getting mad



    Seriously, though, calm down. I haven't made any personal comments about you, so why the insults? The hate against America isn't very nice, either. :no:

    The OP is using the scenario of guns being available to average citizens to call guns moronic. This scenario would never arise in the UK, so there's no reason to restrict the thread to UK-based discussion. If you insist, I provided two other justifications for guns' utility in my first post which are applicable to the UK.

    I have dual-nationality, American and British. Your opinion on my how hung I am isn't really relevant.

    Well, with a gun, one could try to shoot the person going on the spree. Also, if guns were restricted to people with no criminal record or psychological/mental conditions, the frequency of mass-shootings would drop massively.

    Ok. :yy:

    :lol: That's one of the drawbacks of living in the States, I guess; eventually the public will accept the idea of a nationalised health-service, though.
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    Guns are ****ing great, as long as there's only one in the whole world and I've got it and I get to shoot stuff.

    Other than that, they're awful things.


    Certainly history shows time and time again that the looser the gun laws, the more dangerous and violent the country is to live in.
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    (Original post by lerjj)
    This is brilliant! And for the record, I'm an Omega.
    Cool, I'm a pisces.
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    (Original post by bertstare)
    Lol yeah I'm sure you're an MMA pro who can take on multiple knife wielding attackers. Or more likely you'll get bent over and bummed while your family watch and all your possessions get stolen
    You say that like you wouldn't enjoy it.
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    The gun control debate is just a way for insecure Western Europeans to find a way to feel less inferior to Americans.


    In places like Detroit in the US where you get gang members shooting each other, many of the guns used were illegally obtained, unregistered, so the issue is obviously social deprivation. When you get these school shootings (which are in fact extremely rare) the issue is more a mixture of how much pressure American society puts on its citizens and how little attention mental illness is given.

    As examples, places like France and Switzerland have loose gun control, but much lower crime rates than South Africa, which actually has some of the toughest gun restrictions in the world.
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    (Original post by lerjj)
    This is brilliant! And for the record, I'm an Omega.
    That's even more pathetic than claiming to be "Alpha" :rolleyes:
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    No, they aren't. Apart from the fact that inanimate objects can't be moronic, people should have the right to defend themselves against dangerous civilians. Stephen Lawrence sure would have found a gun useful, so would many others like Lee Rigby who were murdered in such a senseless manner on the street. Even if we accept such occasions are rare, plenty of people are attacked or robbed daily - surely criminals would be deterred from such activities if people could arm themselves. I'm not even a right-wing libertarian nut, I'm a left wing socialist lol. But some people endure truly terrifying ordeals and I think they should be granted the liberty to take defence into their own hands. The flaw with State police is that they only arrive on the scene once the crime has been committed, they can very rarely act before anyone is hurt.

    I think gun ownership is also pretty important for ethnic minorities, who are constantly at risk of being violated by the majority. Many people don't realise that though guns are legal in America, there are still strong restrictions in many areas. These restrictions, like the drug war, have an origin in racism. Many of them were erected once Black organisations started carrying around guns and making it clear that they would defend themselves against violence and intimidation by the State and White civilians. Even in the UK, there is a great risk of all this stupid anti-immigration sentiment, whipped up by Cameron and Farage, exploding into violence against minorities. Personally, I'd like to get a gun eventually. If I can't get one legally, then possibly illegally. I don't want to wait until I'm a casualty being reported to the State's bulldogs.
 
 
 
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