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    People who don't vote for him because he looks like 'Wallace' may have a good point to be made. As another poster stated image is very important. Voters are Humans, who in turn are emotional creatures. They want someone who can displays traits of leadership, or even being earnest and passionate about what they're doing, which IMO for Ed looks rehearsed and presented in a too-objective fashion to evoke much support for that aspect.

    A good anti-thesis would probably be Blair. His image and passion to modernising Labour inarguably contributed heavily to his landslide victory in 1997.

    You have to also remember that most media outlets back the Tories as well. So even if Ed didn't look like Wallace it would be something else. David Cameron's spineless but do you hear them comparing "spineless dave" to RedEd? No.

    The only problem is that a lot of Cabinet Ministers are Career Politicians (not all) they have no idea about many of the issues to be able to emphasise and present themselves as caring. George Osbourne bless him is the epitome of this. Ambitious and incompetent. If he wasn't born into privilege he would probably be working in a Supermarket not that there's anything wrong with that.

    - Good policies + Earnest passion = a majority

    This above is unlikely to happen due to the new nature of politics.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    It's no worse a reason than "I'm voting for them because my Dad did, and my Grandfather before that..."

    Labour in particular seem to get a frightening number of votes for that reason.
    I think both Labour and the Conservatives are getting frightening numbers of votes for this reason.
    No figures to back that up, but I don't think there would be any reliable figures at all on this specific topic. Purely my own experience.
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    (Original post by rich2606)
    The media's obsession with image?
    Yes. I don't see why that pic of him eating a sandwich was so newsworthy that it needed to be plastered all over the place.

    He flew half way around the world just for a photo op with Obama while the MH17 crisis was occurring.
    "While the crisis was occurring" Seriously? He's the Leader of the Opposition, not the Prime Minister what exactly was he supposed to do? Obama and Miliband are ideologically very close.

    He is a massive hypocrite, intellectually feeble and will do anything for power.
    In the speech he recognises his own pandering to the media - something he's hardly innocent of but I wouldn't call him a massive hypocrite. After all this is politics we're talking about. As for being ''intellectually feeble" I think even his most ardent opponents would agree that he is a considerably intelligent individual.

    Also if he didn't stab his brother in the back, then why has David flown half way around the world and effectively quit politics to get away from him, and by Ed's own admission they haven't spoken in a long time.
    David lost a (very close) leadership contest, one that pretty much guaranteed he would never be Labour Leader or Prime Minster, its unsurprising he chose to abandon politics for a different path. Just because he was annoyed at his defeat doesn't mean Ed betrayed him. I mean look at the other candidates it was a pretty shoddy bunch.

    David: Too associated with the decisions of New Labour
    Ed Balls: Too associated with the economic crisis and appears untrustworthy
    Abbot: Has said some pretty (politically) poisonous things
    I can't even remember the other guy.
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    (Original post by Mick.w)
    its not how he looks that puts me off.

    its his general lack of passion. his insincerity towards anything.

    i don't really know who he is or what he cares about.

    he seems quite fake.

    also nobody has told me anything about him that makes me think he's skilled for the job either.

    if he was maybe just bad at delivery but secretly dynamite behind the scenes then ok. but i hear nothing like that.

    but even written down his stuff reads like erectile dysfunction.

    plus labour has not really sold anything to me.

    conservatives. nope. don't care about me being poor and a student.
    labour. don't trust after tony blair. was too nanny stateish and involved in my life.
    libdems just urinated into my eyes by siding with conservatives.
    greenparty i didnt even know they were still around.
    ukip is the only party that actually seems to look at issues like immigration and european union.
    which all parties have claimed to deal with and done nothing about.
    im out of education now so im not bothered but im sure who ever is in next is gonna continue to pump bullets into its already decaying corpse.

    the countries a mess.

    at least cutting europe out is one less issue to deal with.
    and immigration is something that labour said they wanted to deal with back when they were in power and didnt. conservatives are too afraid of looking... conservative. so they havent done anything either.

    ukip will probably screw up the country in a lot of ways. but at least if they try to not change anything other than the two issues they plan to change then at least they'll have done something.
    This kind of sums it up.
    Of all the parties I think Labour has the most hope. They have a real chance of electoral success and a good rapport with the electorate. If only they had a strong leader that people could believe in then they'd be home dry.

    Btw, though UKIP have made the EU out to be this ridiculous farce their opposition is an ideological one and the other parties have jumped on the bandwagon. Ever falling unemployment alone proves that immigration isn't a drain on our country. Under them we would become the nasty country of Europe and that wouldn't do us any favours. There are real issues surrounding the EU but they get clouded up by UKIP's nonsense. Seeing as the status quo is (in this case) going well then withholding a referendum until further powers are transferred is the most sensible option. With the issues we as a country face at home it simply doesn't make sense to faff around and alienate ourselves from our European friends and neighbours.
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    I think it's his demeanour - where Milli projects weakness, Cameron projects confidence. I think people imagine milli being easily bullied by some of the dicks in the world e.g. Putin rather than standing up to them.

    tbh there's not much Cameron or Milli can realistically do about Putin. Similar outcomes with either but the public will feel less humiliated about Cameron being forced to climbdown because he always acts like a winner IMO.
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    Ed Miliband is a perfect example of how our political system is so insanely corrupt it can only really be called a pseudo-democracy.

    Thus is how it works:
    -Establishment figures come up with a narrative.
    -News papers print news stories which conform to that narrative (in this case that Miliband is weird)
    -The people are presented with a highly warped and doctored version of reality and form opinions based on that.
    -Politicians further pander to these already constructed narratives, reinforcing them into public opinion.
    -People vote in elections according to an idea which has been heavily formatted and managed, not by their own minds, but by an establishment think tank.

    The people are not to blame, the blame should lie at the feet of a system that vaults the few above the many and encourages them to exploit for personal gain.

    The solution to said problem is of course, exceedingly simple. Get rid of pyramidal hierarchies in favour of horizontally organized citizen collectives where the peoples power is controlled by the people, for the people.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    This kind of sums it up.
    Of all the parties I think Labour has the most hope. They have a real chance of electoral success and a good rapport with the electorate. If only they had a strong leader that people could believe in then they'd be home dry.

    Btw, though UKIP have made the EU out to be this ridiculous farce their opposition is an ideological one and the other parties have jumped on the bandwagon. Ever falling unemployment alone proves that immigration isn't a drain on our country. Under them we would become the nasty country of Europe and that wouldn't do us any favours. There are real issues surrounding the EU but they get clouded up by UKIP's nonsense. Seeing as the status quo is (in this case) going well then withholding a referendum until further powers are transferred is the most sensible option. With the issues we as a country face at home it simply doesn't make sense to faff around and alienate ourselves from our European friends and neighbours.
    i see some benefits of the EU.

    but the EU is in decline. the commonwealth is on the rise.

    I've seen what the EU has done to ireland its pretty shameful

    http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-30250226.html

    ireland also receives much more benefits from europe than england does.

    honestly i dont think the membership fee to europe is worth what we are paying and getting in return.

    and in the uk our media outlets and our own personal interest just is not in europe.

    theres also lots of issues with immigration.

    there is incidents of people losing their jobs to immigrants.

    my mates mom had a new polish manager and then all of a sudden all the staff started working minimal shifts working about 2 hours a week. they all hat to quit 1 by 1 because they werent earning enough to live. as they left the polish manager started to replace the staff with other polish people. its going to court now.

    but you can see the intent.

    immigration doesnt always bring good things.

    theres a lot of ethnic tension in the uk.

    theres a lot of fighting over housing.

    immigrants are coming over and working labour jobs which our own people can do.

    they are coming over and setting up businesses which hire more of their own. not bringing jobs to our workers.

    i also think restrictions should be made on visas for pakistani women as they have the highest rates of unemployment in the country due to it being their culture to not work. yet they still claim job seekers allowance when they are in fact never seeking a job. no problem with culture of not having your wife work. but you foot your own cultural bill. also the interbreeding s causing a strain on the nhs.

    theres enough pakistani women in the uk to marry. they don't need to import people who are never gonna work and claim benefits all their life.

    yes there are lots of people who claim benefits. but i think pakistani women is a better group put more stringent visa restrictions to rather than say. jamaicans who have to pay £36 pound fine to enter the uk on top of an already existing fine on jamaicans exclusively to enter the uk which i can't remember.

    now im not saying we should chuck anyone out or ban anyone from the country i just think the immigration rules could be more sensible.

    like barring sex offenders as an example.

    while cameron wants us to have to "opt in" for porn. he won't turn away real life sex offenders from other nations
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    (Original post by zazalla.)
    Ed 'the zionist filth' Miliband, Dave 'the slave of pissrael' and Nick 'the ***** of zionism' are all the same. The next time the cu.nts send their reps to knock on my door begging for votes they will be spat on.
    Don't forget Nigel 'they're not people, they're brown' Farage...
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    (Original post by mojojojo101)
    Don't forget Nigel 'they're not people, they're brown' Farage...
    Most know about ukip its that blatant whereas the other 3 are sly slimy weasels
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    (Original post by Acidy)
    The only problem is that a lot of Cabinet Ministers are Career Politicians (not all) they have no idea about many of the issues to be able to emphasise and present themselves as caring. George Osbourne bless him is the epitome of this. Ambitious and incompetent. If he wasn't born into privilege he would probably be working in a Supermarket not that there's anything wrong with that.
    Thank you for that image. Dull-eyed George rolling in on a Monday morning, eyes half shut and slightly hungover from Sunday's "few pints" turning into a real mad one. He heads into the office to be given a verbal lashing by the manager (for the lulz), because whilst he may be stuck in the supermarket, the Tory government are still in, and making it worse to leave your **** job. George doesn't want to end up on £73. "**** Iain Duncan Smith!" he cries.

    A man can dream.
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    Actually voting on how someone looks isn't all bad, think what our foreign leaders think of Miliband? Total dunce that they can do anything to and get away with, there's a reason why Putin has spent so much time on his image, people think he's intimidating and it helps him get what he wants (also a leader can be a symbol of unity... not exactly getting that from this dunce). Anyway what redeeming factors has the man got? Crap personality, speaking, policies etc.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    This is a gross oversimplification. In his speech Ed mentioned it as a passing joke in one sentence.

    Rather the problem is the media's obsession with image and spin rather than substance and conviction. Miliband is desperately trying to turn his weaknesses (his image and personal ratings) into strengths by saying he is concerned with more important issues (e.g. policies). Its a reasonable strategy considering Cameron often appeared a little image-obsessed during Opposition.
    It's not an oversimplification at all. People were interviewed in the street and they said they wouldn't vote for him because of how he looks.

    (Original post by Mick.w)
    ukip is the only party that actually seems to look at issues like immigration and european union.
    which all parties have claimed to deal with and done nothing about.
    im out of education now so im not bothered but im sure who ever is in next is gonna continue to pump bullets into its already decaying corpse.

    the countries a mess.

    at least cutting europe out is one less issue to deal with.
    and immigration is something that labour said they wanted to deal with back when they were in power and didnt. conservatives are too afraid of looking... conservative. so they havent done anything either.

    ukip will probably screw up the country in a lot of ways. but at least if they try to not change anything other than the two issues they plan to change then at least they'll have done something.
    Don't want to derail, but I think the reason nobody looks at the issue of the EU is that it isn't an issue. It's undoubtedly beneficial economically for trade, and fairly recent statistics show that EU immigrants to the country bring in over 30% more money than they claim in benefits. British people bring in 11% less than they claim in benefits. I think we'd be in a very bad position without the EU, but nobody seems to care about the statistics.
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    It's not an oversimplification at all. People were interviewed in the street and they said they wouldn't vote for him because of how he looks.



    Don't want to derail, but I think the reason nobody looks at the issue of the EU is that it isn't an issue. It's undoubtedly beneficial economically for trade, and fairly recent statistics show that EU immigrants to the country bring in over 30% more money than they claim in benefits. British people bring in 11% less than they claim in benefits. I think we'd be in a very bad position without the EU, but nobody seems to care about the statistics.
    well your quoting things i've heard challenged before.

    i've seen people throwing statistics around on both sides.

    at the end of the day being part of the EU puts power in the hands of the EU and its undemocratic.

    I take freedom over finance.

    its easier to regain finance when you lose it. than it is to regain freedom when you lose it.

    and when i say freedom. i mean democracy.

    and the EU takes away democracy.
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    Miliband is definitely missing a trick here. All he needs to do is dress like Wallace and get dog that looks like Gromit every time he speaks in public. People will love him.
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    (Original post by Mick.w)

    conservatives. nope. don't care about me being poor and a student.
    labour. don't trust after tony blair. was too nanny stateish and involved in my life.
    So you want a government which is not involved in your life, but which cares about and solves all your problems?
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    If the media disliked Milliband then he must be doing something right

    Calling him a geek or not photogenic who cares . Its not like your expected to marry him all that counts are his policies and world view
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    conservatives. nope. don't care about me being poor and a student.
    labour. don't trust after tony blair. was too nanny stateish and involved in my life.

    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    So you want a government which is not involved in your life, but which cares about and solves all your problems?
    I believe in republicanism and small government.

    i think government should safe guard certain things.

    protecting the nation militarily

    protecting the nation economically

    ensuring education for all

    ensuring health care for all

    ensuring transport for all

    ensuring law & social services to protect their citizens for exploitation and harm of one another.

    outside of those 6 things. I think the private sector can take over AS LONG as it is totally transparent and open overseen by the state.




    but you've taken what i said out of context.

    I never said they had to solve my problems.
    the tories are still involved in my life. like labour.
    just they don't care about me. they make decisions that benefit others and hinder my path.
    but i am not a fan of labour promoting a society zeitgeist that antagonised youngsters from poor areas.
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    (Original post by Moosferatu)
    Thank you for that image. Dull-eyed George rolling in on a Monday morning, eyes half shut and slightly hungover from Sunday's "few pints" turning into a real mad one. He heads into the office to be given a verbal lashing by the manager (for the lulz), because whilst he may be stuck in the supermarket, the Tory government are still in, and making it worse to leave your **** job. George doesn't want to end up on £73. "**** Iain Duncan Smith!" he cries.

    A man can dream.
    Haha yep!
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    (Original post by JordanL_)
    It's not an oversimplification at all. People were interviewed in the street and they said they wouldn't vote for him because of how he looks.
    I meant that's oversimplifying what Ed was saying in his speech which is what I thought you were talking about - misunderstanding.
 
 
 
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